This is funny and sad at the same time; 
my company went as far as creating a new group 'Virtualization technology' 
dedicated to 'CLOUD' computing, when I told my director that we, on the 
mainframe with some work can create a Zcloud instance or instances using z/osmf 
- he was surprised, but did not embrace the fact Z can participate in could 
computing. 
like anything else, the decisions on what technology, and what tools we use, 
even on the mainframe are being decided by folks that do not have a clue and do 
not engage my group at all. 
sad very sad 


Carmen Vitullo 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bill Giannelli" <billgianne...@gmail.com> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 8:15:02 AM 
Subject: Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes" 

this just upsets me in so many ways. 
The ignorance is amazing. 
I happen to be at a shop where aws is the current sexy flavor of the day. 
the mainframes at my shop have there days numbered for very invalid and naive 
reasons. 

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