Aaah,   I think I've found the clue:
Understanding and Controlling LPARs  (draft whitepaper V3)  (ZSW03077USEN)
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/common/ssi/sa/wh/n/zsw03077usen/ZSW03077USEN.PDF
page 4 !

****** Why is this EXCELLENT paper still a draft ???* *****

I think I've been confused by  the terms "Relative Weight"  or  "initial
processing weight"  in IRD's HARDCAP world
While I was more interested in the SOFTCAPPING - "defined capacity" -
4-hour rolling average world.

Anyway, isn't the remark on page 2 of the same document not a bit confusing?
*PLEASE KEEP IN MIND:  Defined Capacity is only availabe when there is no
hardcap  (that is the relative weight is NOT enforced).  Please note that
the HMC will allow you you to set both a defined capacity and enforce the
relative weight... But WLM will ignore the defined capacity.*

jan


On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Jan Vanbrabant <vanbrabant...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks Fabio.
>
> I have read about the 3 possible scenarios when WLM asks PR/SM to cap the
> logical partition at the HMC-defined weight value.   (page 102-103 of the
> redbook)
> I encounter what Kees was talking about (phantom load or “phantom” logical
> partition   &  cap pattern that repeatedly applies and removes the cap at
> the logical
> partition processing weight..)
> But my lack of understanding still remains.  I must be missing some
> essential piece.
>
> Jan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Fabio Massimo Ottaviani <
> fabio.ottavi...@epvtech.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jan
>> Redbook - WLM System Programmer Guide - Chapter 3
>> Best regards
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>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] Per
>> conto di Jan Vanbrabant
>> Inviato: mercoledì 13 febbraio 2013 17:13
>> A: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Oggetto: Re: Defined capacity
>>
>> Hi Kees,
>>
>> I'm following this thread. (Learning a lot doing this...)
>>
>> Whare can I find more about  'phantom load' and 'capping pattern'?
>> Didn't find these terms in de 2 WLM manuals you mentioned earlier:
>>
>> SA22-7602-19    z/OS V1R12.0 MVS Planning Workload Management
>> SA22-7999-06    z/OS V1R12.0 Planning for Subcapacity Pricing
>>
>> (I am at R12, so I looked in the R12 manuals)
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM <
>> kees.verno...@klm.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, LPAR Clusters are IRD managed groups of LPARs.
>> >
>> > Don't forget to read about Weight in relation to 'phantom load' and
>> > 'capping pattern', to avoid erratic Lpar performance.
>> >
>> > I always like to have a monitor telling what is going on in the
>> > system, so I will not be surprised by angry telephone calls and have
>> > no clue where to start looking. I use Mainview, I don't know RMF, but
>> > it probably also displays the 4HrRA, the current LPAR utilization and
>> > the status of softcapping, so you know why the system is doing what it
>> is doing.
>> >
>> > HTH,
>> > Kees.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
>> > On Behalf Of R.S.
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 15:36
>> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> > Subject: Re: Defined capacity
>> >
>> > "To enable the WorkLoad Manager (WLM), select Enable workload manager.
>> > Selecting WLM from one processor details automatically selects WLM
>> > from the other processor details and conversely. Specify the minimum
>> > and maximum processing weights. Change LPAR management weights based
>> > on customer policies and current work loads. "
>> >
>> > Indeed, to enable WLM I have to check "Enable WLM". I wouldn't know
>> that!
>> > Of course there is no explanation what does it mean "enable WLM". WLM
>> > is enabled on every z/OS image and cannot be disabled. So, there must
>> > be some other explanation of the words above. IRD? No clue about IRD.
>> >
>> >
>> > However I found "WLM checkbox" in the chapter about IRD:
>> > "For each logical partition that will participate in LPAR weight
>> > management, do the following:
>> >
>> >      -   Make sure that "Initial Capping" is turned off. WLM cannot
>> > manage the weight of a logical partition that is capped.
>> >
>> >      -   Enter the initial processing weight. This becomes the logical
>> > partition's weight when it is first IPLed.
>> >
>> >      -   Enter the minimum and maximum weights. These set the lower and
>> > upper limits for the weights that WLM will assign to the logical
>> partition.
>> >
>> >      -   Check the "WLM Managed" box. This is the final step in
>> > activating LPAR weight management." ---> THAT'S THE CHECKBOX!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > BTW: I never used IRD for simple reason: lack of sysplex.
>> >
>> >
>> > So, to my knowledge:
>> > WLM checkbox - used only for IRD, leave unchecked otherwise.
>> > Defined Capacity - simply put non-zero value, uncheck Initial Capping
>> > on CP, zIIP, zAAP.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you Kees!
>> > --
>> > Radoslaw Skorupka
>> > Lodz, Poland
>> >
>> >
>> > P.S.
>> > I just found another "helpful" explanation:
>> > Image Pforile, Options tab:
>> >
>> > "CP management cluster name
>> >
>> > The name specified for the CP management cluster. "
>> >
>> > I suspect it's also IRD related stuff.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > W dniu 2013-02-12 14:58, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM pisze:
>> > > Radoswaw,
>> > >
>> > > One to the manuals has a chapter IRD, I think you will find there
>> > > that
>> > the WLM checkbox triggers IRDs weight management.
>> > >>From my experience: forget IRD on modern machines. CPU management is
>> > disabled by Hiperdispatch and weight management and softcapping do not
>> > cooperate.
>> > >
>> > > Kees.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
>> > > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
>> > On Behalf Of R.S.
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 14:30
>> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> > > Subject: Re: Defined capacity
>> > >
>> > > W dniu 2013-02-12 13:50, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM pisze:
>> > >> Check this paper too:
>> > >> http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/fcgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=SA&subtype
>> > >> =WH
>> > >>
>> &appname=STGE_ZS_ZS_USEN&htmlfid=ZSW03077USEN&attachment=ZSW03077USEN.
>> > >> PDF
>> > >>
>> > >> kees.
>> > >
>> > > Kees,
>> > > Thank you for quick response. Actually I have 3 open documents on my
>> > > PC,
>> > exactly the same which you mentioned ;-) I found and answer for Q1
>> > (MSU as a unit), which I was 99% sure.
>> > >
>> > > Unfortunately I found no explanation about WLM checkbox. From your
>> > response I assume I should leave it unchecked, since I don't use IRD.
>> > >
>> > > Regarding Q3 - I found that Initial Capping on any processor-type
>> > > tab
>> > gives the same result - it disables WLM checkbox. So I assume, I
>> > shouldn't use Initial Capping for any CP type, including zIIP.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > BTW: General observation. It is typical for IBM - Software manuals
>> > > avoid
>> > describing any details about hardware panels, while H/W manuals do not
>> > describe the meaning of the fields and panels.
>> > >
>> > > --
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