Yes sir, for many years, large systems CE ...
Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Lloyd Fuller <[email protected]> wrote: > Probably at the Army Finance Center there. I think that they used Unisys. > > Lloyd > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Scott Ford <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, April 17, 2012 9:36:59 AM > Subject: Re: GO TO "cobol" > > Lloyd, > > My father was a Unisys CE at the Fort for many years... > > > Scott Ford > Senior Systems Engineer > www.identityforge.com > > > > On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Lloyd Fuller <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In 1969, and until sometime in the 1970s or later, the Army programming >> school > >> was at Fort Benjamin Harrison in Indiana. >> >> >> Graduated in March 1969 as a Staff Sergeant converted to a SP6. Programming >> since then. >> >> lLOYD >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Ed Gould <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, April 17, 2012 12:16:33 AM >> Subject: Re: GO TO "cobol" >> >> On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:34 AM, McKown, John wrote: >>> ----------------SNIP--------------------------------- >>> Also remember that COBOL, at least originally, was supposed to be very >>> English-like and so usable by people at the Army PFC level of training. >>> >>> --John McKown >>> Systems Engineer IV >>> IT >> >> Hmmm... I was in the Army and we got PFC's from the programming school (AZ? >> its >> >> been 40 years so forgive me). We had two groups, one COBOL (batch >> processing) >> and one ASM group (essentially sysprogs). The ASM group was by far the best >> IMO. >> >> I was on call quite often and had to "fix" the cobol programs that went boom >> in >> >> the middle of the night. The COBOL people were semi useless in debugging and >> when I looked at the code they had produced (except for a few people) it was >> hopeless to understand. I spent more time trying to figure out the logic and >> compare what I was seeing in the dump. 1/3 the time I helped the programmer >> figure out where his problem was and supplying answers to his questions on >> what >> >> was in this field or that field. >> What was interesting was that as the guys (no female programmers so don't >> call > >> me sexist blame the Army not me) as they became more experienced the code >> became >> >> easier to follow. As they became became better programmers there were less >> logic >> >> problems. Now having said that most of the programs were smallish and only >> a >> few were considered large so the smallish programs there was no excuse for >> logic >> >> issues or mangled code. My memory is foggy here as to goto's but I think the >> "rule" no standards if memory serves me that goto's were to be minimized as >> a >> result flow was easier to follow and frankly debugging was easier. >> >> Ed >> >> ps: We had one person who at the time he was drafted was working for IBM and >> he >> >> privately told me about some OS enhancements that when I first heard I >> couldn't >> >> wrap my head around as virtual (at least that I had never heard of) was a >> nightmare that I couldn't wrap my head around. After I got out of the Army >> (2 >> years) IBM announced Virtual and I was able to ask some semi intelligent >> questions as my "preview" and the questions helped jump start by job. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
