Paul, and others.

Thanks for the hints and pointers.  I got dragged into other problems and 
didn't get a chance to work on this - so it'll sit until next week.  The thing 
that is causing us to scratch our collective heads on this one is the job runs 
multiple times daily and just restarting it with the same inputs causes it to 
work correctly.  I hadn't thought about the possibility of region size being 
too small.  We upgraded to IDMS 17 about 2 months ago  but beyond that have put 
nothing in on the systems side that would touch this environment.  The upgrade 
to IDMS may have caused a region problem so I did have the programmer put the 
change in to that.

I'll let y'all know what the resolution is once we figure it out.

Rex

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Paul Strauss
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: strange issues with LE abending, looking for pointers as to where 
to even look..

Hi Rex,

LE has been around quite a while and has been very reliable for the last
several years. You don't say what changed in the environment since this
started happening. Something must have. I've seen your name on this list
for many things so I know your an experienced systems programmer. I'll
still list what I would do in this situation.

You said this was IDMS 17 and LE. Any other 3rd party products in the
middle of this? Check for compatibility levels between IDMS 17, LE, COBOL
and any other products used in the abending job.

Take the easy route and increase the region in the job. Sometimes jobs run
out of region and can't put out a message saying that or taking a dump
because it would need more region to do that.

Track job execution using GTF, Mainview, Omegamon, Strobe or whatever
monitoring products you have to narrow down what module is having the
problem.

Have the programmer trace execution with COBOL commands.

And what I usually see as the culprit, check for back level modules in
STEPLIB, Link List, and possibly LPA. I've seen applications programmers
copy SYS1.SCEERUN to their own library and run with it for years until an
operating system upgrade causes their job to abend. Look also for COBOL
runtimes from years ago that may be STEPLIBed to. These should be pulled
from the LE SYS1.SCEERUN library.

Thank You,

Paul Strauss

Integrated Technology Delivery, Global Services, IBM
L0DB z/OS MVS/Program Products/Security
150 Kettletown Rd.
Southbury, CT 06488
(203) 272-2758
[email protected]



  From:       "Pommier, Rex R." <[email protected]>

  To:         [email protected]

  Date:       12/03/2010 11:30 AM

  Subject:    strange issues with LE abending, looking for pointers as to where 
to even look..

  Sent by:    IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]>






Hi list,

I just got a call from an applications programmer.  They're having some
strange issues showing up in LE with programs abending with S0C4 and S0C7
abends, but not where they've seen before.

For example, yesterday, they received a S0C7 in a job.  They reran the job
using the same inputs and it ran clean.  But the abend didn't give them any
indication as to what was happening.  Here's the JES log of the abend.

+CEE0374C CONDITION=CEE3207S TOKEN=00030C87 59C3C5C5 00000000  649
          WHILE RUNNING PROGRAM UNKNOWN
          AT THE TIME OF INTERRUPT
          PSW     078D1000 80093EAA
          GPR 0-3 8708D300 0007F98C C7D14040 00BFF048
          GPR 4-7 8007F978 00093EA8 0007F98C 000941B0
          GPR 8-B 000942E0 00094B00 0008B068 0006FD28
          GPR C-F 0007F828 0007F9CC 00000000 00000000
IEA995I SYMPTOM DUMP OUTPUT  662
SYSTEM COMPLETION CODE=0C7  REASON CODE=00000000
 TIME=05.48.39  SEQ=02747  CPU=0000  ASID=0060
 PSW AT TIME OF ERROR  070C0000   80D0F35E  ILC 6  INTC 07
   NO ACTIVE MODULE FOUND
   NAME=UNKNOWN
   DATA AT PSW  00D0F358 - F933908C  30044740  C8389180
   GR 0: 00000880   1: 000B0780
      2: 01DFB680   3: 0708D4B0
      4: 00FDD858   5: 00093EA8
      6: 0007F98C   7: 0000001B
      8: 01F97D80   9: 0708D448
      A: 0008B068   B: 01DFAFE8
      C: 80D0EE60   D: 084C7E70
      E: 0000030B   F: 00000000
 END OF SYMPTOM DUMP
IEF450I USACU011 S0015GSI - ABEND=S0C7 U0000 REASON=00000000
-S0015GSI          *S0C7    700   1340    .00    .00     .0

The abend this morning was a S0C4 with the same symptoms.  S0C4 "while
running program unknown".  PSW is 'no active module found".  They just
restarted the job at the abending step and it ran fine.  Environment is
z/OS 1.10 and IDMS release 17.  Batch COBOL calling IDMS.

Any ideas as to where to even start looking?

Thanks.

Rex

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