I think constraints should be exported to the DDL when the mode is DDL or `
hibernate.validator.apply_to_ddl == true`. I'd personally say that `
hibernate.validator.apply_to_ddl` still works with NONE - as y'all keep
saying, mode is about in-memory callbacks. In fact because of that, we
should even consider:
1. droping DDL as an allowable mode
2. no longer allowing multiple values
Additionally I'd say that AUTO maps to CALLBACK *as long as BV is available
on the classpath. As I understand it, using CALLBACK mode is supposed to
cause an error when BV is not available on classpath. AUTO would silently
ignore that.
WDYT?
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:14 AM Gunnar Morling <gun...@hibernate.org> wrote:
> Ok, so the constraints would be added to DDL when "hibernate
> .validator.apply_to_ddl" is true and validation mode is one of {AUTO,
> CALLBACK, DDL}. And they wouldn't be added to the DDL if "hibernate
> .validator.apply_to_ddl" is false or validation mode is NONE?
>
> That'd work for me.
>
> 2018-02-07 21:07 GMT+01:00 Steve Ebersole <st...@hibernate.org>:
>
>> No, I think you are right and `hibernate.validator.apply_to_ddl` should
>> apply to CALLBACK as well.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 1:45 PM Gunnar Morling <gun...@hibernate.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > How is a String "CALLBACK,DDL" considered "multiple values" to an XSD?
>>>
>>> I was referring to the dedicated <validation-mode> element, which is
>>> restricted to the values AUTO, CALLBACK, NONE in that XSD and which can
>>> be given at most once [1]. I can see though how it'd work with the
>>> javax.persistence.validation.mode String property.
>>>
>>> So, yeah, technically no change needed. Still quite subtle and very easy
>>> to miss. Waiting a bit for some more feedback by others, if we decide to
>>> leave it as is, we need at least to update the HV docs to describe this in
>>> more depth (we only mention <validation-mode> but not that string property).
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://github.com/hibernate/hibernate-orm/blob/master/tooling/metamodel-generator/src/main/xsd/persistence_2_1.xsd#L326-L339
>>> .
>>>
>>> 2018-02-07 20:05 GMT+01:00 Steve Ebersole <st...@hibernate.org>:
>>>
>>>> How is a String "CALLBACK,DDL" considered "multiple values" to an XSD?
>>>>
>>>> Look, I don't mind revisiting a change here. I really have no horse n
>>>> this race - this is not even my code originally. TBH I thought this was
>>>> code that you did. So I don't mind changes here if there is a consensus.
>>>> But let's use real reasons ;)
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:53 PM Gunnar Morling <gun...@hibernate.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Right, giving multiple values isn't allowed as per JPA's XSD.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-02-07 19:44 GMT+01:00 Steve Ebersole <st...@hibernate.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course you can. `mode = CALLBACK,DDL`
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean that you cannot using single-valued setting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:02 PM Gunnar Morling <gun...@hibernate.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2018-02-07 16:08 GMT+01:00 Steve Ebersole <st...@hibernate.org>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, so this is the crux then because it really comes down to
>>>>>>>> whether you
>>>>>>>> believe whether it is valid to *only* export the annotation-based
>>>>>>>> validations as DDL.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And keep in mind that this code is basically unchanged from all the
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> back to the initial "integrations" with HV. So back then the
>>>>>>>> thought-process (not mine, btw) was that yes, that *is* valid -
>>>>>>>> hence the
>>>>>>>> option to chose just DDL as an option.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'd still have that ability with my suggestion, just keep
>>>>>>> validation mode to NONE and set hibernate.validator.apply_to_ddl =
>>>>>>> true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By "safest mode" above I meant CALLBACK is the right way if you
>>>>>>> really want to make sure that lifecycle validation occurs, or you'll
>>>>>>> get an
>>>>>>> exception if no BV provider is present. It can't happen that lifecycle
>>>>>>> validation silently, unexpectedly doesn't happen. Hence I prefer it over
>>>>>>> AUTO. And as things stand I can't benefit from constraints in DDL
>>>>>>> export in
>>>>>>> that case, which is a pity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But if thats now no longer valid then that changes things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:15 PM Guillaume Smet <
>>>>>>>> guillaume.s...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 5:01 PM, Steve Ebersole <
>>>>>>>> st...@hibernate.org>
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Is it valid for a user to want *just* DDL-based validation? How
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>>> >> work in Gunnar's request?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > From your writings, I suspect I'm the only one with this opinion
>>>>>>>> but my
>>>>>>>> > answer would be: "not if you use Bean Validation annotations".
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > If you use BV's @NotNull, you expect BV to validate the input.
>>>>>>>> And you
>>>>>>>> > might want additional DDL in your database to be on the safe side
>>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>>> > should be the default IMHO).
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>> > Guillaume
>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>
>>>
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