Makes sense. I think it's reasonable to add this since this is what a
many-to-many table relationship looks like.
But, it's ok to postpone it until 6.0.
Vlad
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:38 PM, andrea boriero <and...@hibernate.org>
wrote:
> It is not about the order but about duplicates.
>
> With the following
> class A {
> List<b> bsl
> @JoinTable(name = "A_B",
> joinColumns = @JoinColumn(name = "A_ID"),
> inverseJoinColumns = @JoinColumn(name = "B_ID"),
> )
> @ManyToMany
> public List<B> getBs() {
> return b;
> }
> }
>
> class *B*{
> List<A> as;
> ....
> @ManyToMany(mappedBy = "bs", cascade=CascadeType.ALL)
> public List<A> getAs() {
> return as;
> }
> }
>
> and it seems JPA expects the JoinTable A_B to have a PK (A_ID,B_ID).
>
> On 28 November 2017 at 05:44, Vlad Mihalcea <mihalcea.v...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't understand what is the requirement for the @Bag annotation and
>> the `hibernate.jpa.compliance=list` setting.
>>
>> From the JPA spec, only if we provide @OredrBy or @OrderColumn we get an
>> ordered List.
>> Otherwise, the order is undefined.
>> Is there anything I'm missing about handling Lists according to the JPA
>> spec?
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:29 PM, Steve Ebersole <st...@hibernate.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So then how about the following:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Add a multi-valued setting to define various categories of JPA
>>> compliance. E.g. `hibernate.jpa.compliance` with multi-selectable values
>>> such as:
>>> 1. query (strict jpql compliance)
>>> 2. txn (transaction handling per spec)
>>> 3. close (multiple calls to EMF and EM #close methods)
>>> 4. list (no bags)
>>> 5. others?
>>> 6. all (there should be some form of specifying all)
>>> 2. Add @Bag as an explicit declaration of a bag, even if
>>> `hibernate.jpa.compliance=list` is specified - that setting just
>>> controls how List with no @OrderColumn is interpreted. I vote to delay
>>> adding that until 6.0
>>> 3. Retain current behavior for "double close" calls unless "close"
>>> compliance has been specified.
>>> 4. Keep current behavior unless "txn" compliance has been specified
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:54 AM andrea boriero <and...@hibernate.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24 November 2017 at 17:39, Steve Ebersole <st...@hibernate.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrea, SF is a EMF. Unwrapping simply returns the same instance.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes but has you pointed out due to the bootstrapping the behaviour of
>>>> the SF will be strict JPA compliant.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another thing I was discussing with Andrea in chat is possibly making
>>>>> these multi-valued, or having multiple values for this. I can't imagine
>>>>> the FQN case is really all that appealing to a user. I'm fairly certain a
>>>>> user would rather simply say "yeah, treat transactions according the JPA
>>>>> spec" as opposed to "here is a class I will provide that will tell will
>>>>> treat transactions according to the JPA spec".
>>>>>
>>>>> We have started to identify some cases where we deviate from the
>>>>> spec[1], such as:
>>>>> * Strict query compliance. As I mentioned earlier we do have such a
>>>>> setting already for this in particular
>>>>> * List versus Bag determination from mappings.
>>>>> * Closed EMF (SF) handling
>>>>> * EntityTransaction status checking - JPA says we should throw
>>>>> exceptions whereas we just ignore the call.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to decide also which of these we want to just change outright
>>>>> versus controlling via a setting.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Setting
>>>>> * Setting, or introduce a new @Bag annotation - the annotation option
>>>>> is actually pretty appealing since often times the bag behavior is so
>>>>> unexpected from users...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> @Bag seems really a good idea to me but that means changing the current
>>>> default behaviour, forcing users to change the code, so not sure if we need
>>>> also a setting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> * I think we should just change the behavior of calling EMF#close on a
>>>>> closed EMF. Any application that happens to be relying on us no-op'ing
>>>>> this call can easily change that to protect the call with an `#isOpen`
>>>>> check. In fact I think we should change all of these to match the JPA
>>>>> expectations such that it is an error to call any of the following:
>>>>> #close,
>>>>> #getCache, #getMetamodel, #getCriteriaBuilder, #getProperties,
>>>>> #getPersistenceUnitUtil, #createEntityManager. To me these all seem
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> reasonable. And in fact I think we used to handle this all properly from
>>>>> the EMF side. I think we just lost that behavior when we changed to have
>>>>> our contracts extend the JPA ones since we kept the legacy Hibernate
>>>>> behavior in SessionFactory.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not like the EMF#close behaviour, probably a prefer a separate
>>>> setting for this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> * This one I am very undecided. I can see very valid arguments for
>>>>> each.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> probably for such case a setting may be a good option.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] we really ought to start keeping a list of these. I have started
>>>>> adding them to the migration guide. Just as a list of things we need to
>>>>> support configuring or switch to the JPA "way".
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 11:06 AM andrea boriero <and...@hibernate.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think for 5.3 it's still fine to rely on isJpaBootstrap may be
>>>>>> documenting that a SF obtained from unwrapping an EMF will conform to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> JPA spec in term of exceptions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 November 2017 at 21:09, Vlad Mihalcea <mihalcea.v...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I said multiple modes, I was thinking of defining all these
>>>>>>> situations
>>>>>>> In some interface which declares methods like:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> boolean throwsExceptionWhenClosingAClosedEMF()
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The interface can have two implementations for Strict JPA and Native
>>>>>>> mode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, the setting could take the FQN of the interface
>>>>>>> implementation, so
>>>>>>> a user can define those compatibility methods according to their
>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E.g. Maybe someone wants the Strict JPA mode but with just 2
>>>>>>> differences;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - don't throw exception when closing the ENG twice
>>>>>>> - use the native Hibernate FlushMode.AUTO instead of the JPA one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vlad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 Nov 2017 10:49 pm, "Steve Ebersole" <st...@hibernate.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > There is already a similar setting, although specific to query
>>>>>>> language:
>>>>>>> > `hibernate.query.jpaql_strict_compliance` - so there is
>>>>>>> precedence for
>>>>>>> > such a solution.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I'm not sure about the "with multiple modes" aspect though. What
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> > these other enumerated mode values?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:15 PM Vlad Mihalcea <
>>>>>>> mihalcea.v...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Where the JPA way is questionable, let's add one configuration:
>>>>>>> >> hibernate.jpa.compliance with multiple modes:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> - strict: we do whatever the JPA standard says we should do, like
>>>>>>> >> throwing an exception when trying to close the EMF twice
>>>>>>> >> - native: we bend the rule where we don't agree with the standard
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Maybe we should expose all those cases and group them in some
>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>> >> to allow the user to customize the level of compliance they need.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Vlad
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Steve Ebersole <
>>>>>>> st...@hibernate.org>
>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> It was added deprecated. Meaning I added it knowing it would go
>>>>>>> away
>>>>>>> >>> and I wanted to avoid users using it.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> BTW, I am talking about a 5.3 release specifically covering 5.2
>>>>>>> + JPA
>>>>>>> >>> 2.2. Yes there is a longer term aspect as well with 6.0 and
>>>>>>> beyond.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Its specifically the "where the JPA way is questionable" aspect
>>>>>>> I am
>>>>>>> >>> asking about. Like to me, it really never makes sense to throw
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> >>> exception when I close something that is already closed. So how
>>>>>>> do we
>>>>>>> >>> handle cases like this?
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 1:51 PM Vlad Mihalcea <
>>>>>>> mihalcea.v...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> I think that for 5.2 was ok to have the isJpaBootstrap method
>>>>>>> to avoid
>>>>>>> >>>> breaking compatibility for the native bootstrap.
>>>>>>> >>>> For 6.0, maybe it's easier if we just align to the JPA spec
>>>>>>> where it
>>>>>>> >>>> makes sense,
>>>>>>> >>>> and only provide a separation where the JPA way is questionable.
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> I noticed that the isJpaBootstrap method is deprecated. Was it
>>>>>>> >>>> intended to be removed in 6.0?
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Vlad
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Steve Ebersole <
>>>>>>> st...@hibernate.org>
>>>>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> Part of 5.2 was merging the JPA contracts into the
>>>>>>> corresponding
>>>>>>> >>>>> Hibernate
>>>>>>> >>>>> ones. So, e.g., we no longer "wrap" a SessionFactory in an
>>>>>>> impl of
>>>>>>> >>>>> EntityManagerFactory - instead, SessionFactory now extends
>>>>>>> >>>>> EntityManagerFactory.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> This caused a few problems that we handled as they came up. In
>>>>>>> >>>>> working on
>>>>>>> >>>>> the JPA 2.2 compatibility testing, I see that there are a few
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> >>>>> still
>>>>>>> >>>>> that we need to resolve. Mostly they relate to JPA expecting
>>>>>>> >>>>> exceptions in
>>>>>>> >>>>> certain cases where Hibernate has historically been lenient.
>>>>>>> E.g., JPA
>>>>>>> >>>>> says that calling EntityManagerFactory#close on an EMF that is
>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>> >>>>> closed should result in an exception. Historically, calling
>>>>>>> >>>>> SessionFactory#close on a SF that is already closed is simply
>>>>>>> ignored.
>>>>>>> >>>>> Philosophical debates aside[1], we need to decide how we want
>>>>>>> to handle
>>>>>>> >>>>> this situation such that we can throw the JPA-expected
>>>>>>> exceptions when
>>>>>>> >>>>> needed. Do we simply change SF#close to match the JPA
>>>>>>> expectation?
>>>>>>> >>>>> Or do
>>>>>>> >>>>> we somehow
>>>>>>> >>>>> make SF#close aware of JPA versus "native" use? This latter
>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>> >>>>> was the
>>>>>>> >>>>> intent of `SessionFactoryOptions#isJpaBootstrap` and we can
>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>> >>>>> continue to use that as the basis of the solution here for
>>>>>>> other cases.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> This `#isJpaBootstrap` flag is controlled by the JPA bootstrap
>>>>>>> code.
>>>>>>> >>>>> So if
>>>>>>> >>>>> the EMF is created in either of the 2 JPA-defined bootstrap
>>>>>>> mechanisms,
>>>>>>> >>>>> that flag is set to true. It's an ok solution, but it does
>>>>>>> have some
>>>>>>> >>>>> limitations - mainly, there was previously a distinction
>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>> >>>>> SF#close
>>>>>>> >>>>> being called versus EMF#close being called (they were different
>>>>>>> >>>>> classes, so
>>>>>>> >>>>> they could react differently). Therefore, regardless of
>>>>>>> bootstrap
>>>>>>> >>>>> mechanism, if the user unwrapped the EMF to a SF, they would
>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>> >>>>> get the
>>>>>>> >>>>> legacy SF behavior.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> So long story short, so we want to consider an alternative
>>>>>>> approach to
>>>>>>> >>>>> deciding what to do in "some"[2] of these cases? Again, we
>>>>>>> clearly
>>>>>>> >>>>> need
>>>>>>> >>>>> these to throw the spec-mandated exceptions in certain "strict
>>>>>>> >>>>> compliance"
>>>>>>> >>>>> situations. The question really is how to do that. Should we:
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> 1. just completely change the behavior to align with the
>>>>>>> spec?
>>>>>>> >>>>> 2. change the behavior to match the spec *conditionally*,
>>>>>>> where that
>>>>>>> >>>>> condition could be:
>>>>>>> >>>>> 1. `#isJpaBootstrap`
>>>>>>> >>>>> 2. some setting
>>>>>>> >>>>> 3. some extension contract
>>>>>>> >>>>> 4. something else?
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> [1] It's not relevant e.g. that I think JPA is wrong here. We
>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>> >>>>> comply with the spec, at least in certain cases ;)
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> [2] I say "some" here, because I think the spec is correct in
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> >>>>> cases -
>>>>>>> >>>>> for example, I think its clearly correct that a closed EMF
>>>>>>> throws an
>>>>>>> >>>>> exception when `#createEntityManager` is called. Personally I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> >>>>> its
>>>>>>> >>>>> questionable whether closing an already closed EMF should be an
>>>>>>> >>>>> exception.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> >>>>> hibernate-dev mailing list
>>>>>>> >>>>> hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>> >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> hibernate-dev mailing list
>>>>>>> hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>
_______________________________________________
hibernate-dev mailing list
hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
