Well, it was more something like: the co-spec lead rules over the majority :)
Historically, very few implementations used proxies like Hibernate and bytecode enhancement had (still has) its quirks. A pretty bad and impactful decision unfortunately. On Sun 2016-02-28 18:05, Steve Ebersole wrote: > But to me that is not a reason EAGER is the default. As the passage says, > LAZY is just a hint. So for a provider that does not support LAZY, EAGER > would be used instead anyway. No, some of the EG members specifically > argued for wanting to-one associations to be EAGER by default. IMO it was > a bad decision. But the majority rule. > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:40 AM Vlad Mihalcea <mihalcea.v...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Thanks, > > > > Rhe only reason I found is this paragraph: > > > > "The EAGER default for OneToOne and ManyToOne is for implementation > > reasons (more difficult to implement), not because it is a good idea. > > Technically in JPA LAZY is just a hint, and a JPA provider is not > > required to support it, however in reality all main JPA providers support > > it, and they would be pretty useless if they did not." > > > > https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Java_Persistence/Relationships#Lazy_Fetching > > > > Vlad > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Steve Ebersole <st...@hibernate.org> > > wrote: > > > >> The Hibernate team argued against this, but we were outvoted. So... > >> sorry I cannot "justify it" ;) > >> > >> Obviously as our previous default shows we believe the associations > >> should be lazy by default. > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:00 AM Vlad Mihalcea <mihalcea.v...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> > >>> Do you remember why the JPA User Group decided to make the ManyToOne and > >>> the OneToOne associations EAGER by default? > >>> > >>> In Hibernate 3.x, these associations used to be LAZY, so there must have > >>> been a reason for taking this decision. > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Vlad > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> hibernate-dev mailing list > >>> hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org > >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > >>> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
