If that does not slow down the test suite significantly, I'd favor a module to 
limit project explosion. 

On 5 oct. 2012, at 06:56, Scott Marlow <smar...@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 10/05/2012 06:16 AM, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
>> Thanks Scott, that documentation arrived just in time:
>> https://forum.hibernate.org/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1024476
>> 
>> It looks like we could simplify things by creating an AS7 module, and
>> release it in tandem with an OGM release.
>> 
>> What could be the best way to distribute this module?
> 
> A few different ways that we could proceed.  In the OGM project, we could 
> assemble an AS7 module that is ready to drop into the AS7 root folder.  This 
> wouldn't include the OGM integration code module (which we haven't needed to 
> write but could to make it easier to use OGM with AS7).
> 
> Another way, would be to start a new project that packages the OGM provider 
> into a ready to use AS7 module.  We could also package the OGM integration 
> code (persistence provider adapter) in this new project.
> 
>> 
>> Is there a "clean" way to create one? (by "clean" I mean possibly not
>> relying on the Maven assembly plugin, and more importantly making
>> something which can be tested in automation)
> 
> If we create a new project for this, I'm open to suggestions for how to 
> create the module from within the project (whether its with Maven, Ant, Ivy 
> or something else).
> 
>> 
>> Sanne
>> 
>> 
>> On 1 October 2012 23:21, Sanne Grinovero <sa...@hibernate.org> wrote:
>>> You don't have to build it but having it in the cache woud help :)
>>> 
>>> The test is building and materializing an AS7 module on the filesystem
>>> containing all dependencies, including Hibernate Search (among others)
>>> and uses ShrinkWrap to do that; if you look in the test you should
>>> find a line which forces it to stay offline (as it was massively slow
>>> otherwise), you should comment that line at least once so that it
>>> downloads all what it needs.
>>> 
>>> On 1 October 2012 19:39, Scott Marlow <smar...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2012 12:23 PM, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 1 October 2012 17:08, Scott Marlow <smar...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/01/2012 11:05 AM, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1 October 2012 15:51, Scott Marlow <smar...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I got further yesterday (after removing the ---PlaceHolderDSForOGM---
>>>>>>>> property from HibernateOgmPersistence).  Not sure what the long term
>>>>>>>> change is (perhaps we should only add the ---PlaceHolderDSForOGM--- for
>>>>>>>> the non-container case).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nice. Is the AS still "mandating" a specific module name and injecting
>>>>>>> Hibernate 3?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The OGM module name should be org.hibernate:ogm.  The org.hibernate:ogm
>>>>>> module should depend on Hibernate 4 (org.hibernate:main) and Hibernate 4
>>>>>> should depend on OGM.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm still not understanding why we need to hardcode a constant module
>>>>> name for the OGM provider, that's unintuitive and brought me a lot of
>>>>> pain when trying to use a *different* version, when recently trying
>>>>> out your instructions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I might want to deploy OGM using a different version of Hibernate ORM
>>>>> than what I have in another OGM-using application; also it is very
>>>>> likely that soon OGM will require a version which is not the one
>>>>> bundled in the AS.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would expect the module to be something I can configure in my own
>>>>> application:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://github.com/Sanne/ogm-kitchensink/blob/as711/src/main/webapp/WEB-INF/jboss-deployment-structure.xml
>>>>> 
>>>>> it should be possible to use a different module name, how could I deal
>>>>> with multiple deployments otherwise? The AS should not mandate the
>>>>> module dependency, at best it could take some hint like you do with
>>>>> the _jboss.as.jpa.adapterModule_ property
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://github.com/Sanne/ogm-kitchensink/blob/as711/.openshift/config/modules/org/hibernate/ogm/module.xml
>>>>> 
>>>>> I didn't need any datasource, this worked fine:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://github.com/Sanne/ogm-kitchensink/blob/as711/src/main/resources/META-INF/persistence.xml
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I tried building https://github.com/Sanne/ogm-kitchensink (as711 branch)
>>>> locally but got an error:
>>>> 
>>>> Caused by: org.sonatype.aether.resolution.ArtifactResolutionException: The
>>>> repository system is offline but the artifact
>>>> org.hibernate:hibernate-search-orm:jar:4.1.1.Final is not available in the
>>>> local repository.
>>>> 
>>>> Do I need to build search locally to use this example?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sanne
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Last time I was trying that was driving me nuts, as to workaround it I
>>>>>>> needed lots of changes in AS.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We should either create a blog update to explain this or as previously
>>>>>> discussed on this thread, document the changes needed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://pastie.org/4891854 is my current persistence.xml that I'm testing
>>>>>> with.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had to set jboss.as.jpa.adapterModule to org.jboss.as.jpa.hibernate:4,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> that we would use the Hibernate 4 integration code with OGM.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also had to set jboss.as.jpa.classtransformer to false so that we
>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> try to create the EntityManagerFactory too soon (should probably verify
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> that is still needed).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would expect to not have any OGM-specific code in the AS, but that
>>>>>>> it should be good enough to implement the JPA spec correctly regarding
>>>>>>> the provider implementation?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I sometimes hear that question (why don't you just use the JPA spec
>>>>>> bootstrapping).  However, we are allowed by the JPA specification, to
>>>>>> pass a
>>>>>> map of integration properties when calling the
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> PersistenceProvider.createContainerEntityManagerFactory(PersistenceUnitInfo,
>>>>>> Map integrationProperties) call.  Sometimes, the persistence providers
>>>>>> include enough version specific application server integration code, so
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> app servers find that its good enough to just call the JPA spec
>>>>>> invocation
>>>>>> but in practice this breaks when the app servers change too much.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For AS7, I created persistence provider adapters that (optionally)
>>>>>> contain
>>>>>> the extra integration code that is not handled by the JPA specification.
>>>>>> For AS 8.0, I want to change the relationship between the persistence
>>>>>> provider adapters and providers to be less tightly coupled (its currently
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> 1-1) but they make developing JPA applications for AS7 easier for the
>>>>>> developer (fewer properties have to be passed in).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://pastie.org/4891549 is the out from running one of the example
>>>>>>>> applications (jboss-javaee6-webapp).  Obviously, I need to try a
>>>>>>>> different test. ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Right, you might need to simplify an existing test, or take the
>>>>>>> ogm-kitchensink as a starting point:
>>>>>>> take branch as711 from:
>>>>>>> git://github.com/Sanne/ogm-kitchensink.git
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hardy originally wrote that demo, but I don't remember if we ever
>>>>>>> integrated my changes from that branch to have it run on AS 7.1.1.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For AS documentation, I'm not sure if we are ready to add that yet (it
>>>>>>>> would be experimental with the goal of helping someone get started).
>>>>>>>> I'm open to suggestions but I think we could build on what I blogged
>>>>>>>> about last year here
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/UsingADifferentPersistenceProviderWithAS701#H-ExperimentalUseOfOGMOnAS701.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - How to add the OGM module to AS
>>>>>>>> - Changing existing AS module dependencies for OGM
>>>>>>>> - Infinispan Configuration changes for OGM
>>>>>>>> - Example
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That would be great, are you creating a patch for the docbook in OGM?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I created a git branch locally but haven't started the actual doc changes
>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sanne
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 09/27/2012 11:13 AM, Emmanuel Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'd still prefer a small section in our reference documentation.
>>>>>>>>> Stuff in the wiki is as useful as peeing in a violin as we say in
>>>>>>>>> France ;)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Emmanuel
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Thu 2012-09-27  9:52, Scott Marlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 09/27/2012 09:02 AM, Emmanuel Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Scott,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I stumbled upon https://hibernate.onjira.com/browse/OGM-117 and
>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>>>>>>>>>> if you could contribute a paragraph or two on how to use Hibernate
>>>>>>>>>>> OGM
>>>>>>>>>>> in JBoss AS latest.
>>>>>>>>>>> The documentation is hosted in
>>>>>>>>>>> http://github.com/hibernate/hibernate-ogm, there
>>>>>>>>>>> is a documentation module.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I could do that or
>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.jboss.org/author/display/AS72/JPA+Reference+Guide might
>>>>>>>>>> be another place for the "how to use Hibernate OGM with AS"
>>>>>>>>>> documentation.  This link is likely to change like the wind but the
>>>>>>>>>> content will be available.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure that either location is better, but I do like using
>>>>>>>>>> confluence as users can more easily fix the mistakes.  ;)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a preference?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If you can make it by end of week or Monday, you gain extra karma
>>>>>>>>>>> points.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Extra karma points are always good to have!  :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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