On  May 27, 2009, at 15:41, Hardy Ferentschik wrote:



On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:57:11 +0200, Emmanuel Bernard <emman...@hibernate.org > wrote:

# background
When validating a specific group(s), Bean Validation expends the
group into a sequence of groups to be validated (because a group can
be a group sequence really). Depending on how clever the
implementation is, it could sequencialize all group execution or try
to validate several non sequenced group in parallel.

We are already doing the sequencialize part. In our case we are populating a 'GroupChain'

Yes but last I checked (pre vacations) we do not run several groups in //. We sequentialize them


object, but the idea is the same. However, this sequencializing is really independent from the defined constraints. One can determine the group execution order without actually evaluating the entities. I think group sequencialize and actual validation are orthogonal
and should stay this way.

it's almost orthogonal. The default sequence overriding ruins your beautiful dream :) A sequencing is a function of the groups requested and the default sequence overriding of the class requested



I am also not sure why we should add validator.getConstraintsForClassAndGroups to the Validator interface? The Validator interface is the main contract between Bean Validation and a client. It allows to either validate an object or get some meta information. The latter is probably mainly used for tooling. Where would validator.getConstraintsForClassAndGroups fit into this?
Why would we expose this call to a client?

A JS generator would call getConstraintsForClassAndGroups() to receive the list of constraints it ought to translate. The more I think about it, the less I think getConstraintsForClass is useful as the groups rules are quite complex.



--Hardy









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