Thanks, gentlemen. I've opened and taken responsibility for https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-9359. Giri Kesavan has agreed to help with the parts that require Jenkins admin access.
Thanks, --Matt On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Konstantin Shvachko <shv.had...@gmail.com>wrote: > +1 on the merge. > > I am glad we agreed. > Having Jira to track the CI effort is a good idea. > > Thanks, > --Konstantin > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Matt Foley <mfo...@hortonworks.com> wrote: > > Thanks. I agree Windows -1's in test-patch should not block commits. > > > > --Matt > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Konstantin Shvachko < > shv.had...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Matt Foley <mfo...@hortonworks.com> > >> wrote: > >> > Konstantine, you have voted -1, and stated some requirements before > >> > you'll > >> > withdraw that -1. As I plan to do work to fulfill those > requirements, I > >> > want to make sure that what I'm proposing will, in fact, satisfy you. > >> > That's why I'm asking, if we implement full "test-patch" integration > for > >> > Windows, does it seem to you that that would provide adequate support? > >> > >> Yes. > >> > >> > I have learned not to presume that my interpretation is correct. My > >> > interpretation of item #1 is that test-patch provides pre-commit > build, > >> > so > >> > it would satisfy item #1. But rather than assuming that I am > >> > interpreting > >> > it correctly, I simply want your agreement that it would, or if not, > >> > clarification why it won't. > >> > >> I agree it will satisfy my item #1. > >> I did not agree in my previous email, but I changed my mind based on > >> the latest discussion. I have to explain why now. > >> I was proposing nightly build because I did not want pre-commit build > >> for Windows block commits to Linux. But if people are fine just ignoring > >> -1s for the Windows part of the build it should be good. > >> > >> > Regarding item #2, it is also my interpretation that test-patch > provides > >> > an > >> > on-demand (perhaps 20-minutes deferred) Jenkins build and unit test, > >> > with > >> > logs available to the developer, so it would satisfy item #2. But > >> > rather > >> > than assuming that I am interpreting it correctly, I simply want your > >> > agreement that it would, or if not, clarification why it won't. > >> > >> It will satisfy my item #2 in the following way: > >> I can duplicate your pre-commit build for Windows and add an input > >> parameter, which would let people run the build on their patches > >> chosen from local machine rather than attaching them to Jiras. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> --Konstantin > >> > >> > In agile terms, you are the Owner of these requirements. Please give > me > >> > owner feedback as to whether my proposed work sounds like it will > >> > satisfy > >> > the requirements. > >> > > >> > Thank you, > >> > --Matt > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Konstantin Shvachko > >> > <shv.had...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Didn't I explain in details what I am asking for? > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> --Konst > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Matt Foley <mfo...@hortonworks.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Hi Konstantin, > >> >> > I'd like to point out two things: > >> >> > First, I already committed in this thread (email of Thu, Feb 28, > 2013 > >> >> > at > >> >> > 6:01 PM) to providing CI for Windows builds. So please stop acting > >> >> > like > >> >> > I'm > >> >> > resisting this idea or something. > >> >> > Second, you didn't answer my question, you just kvetched about the > >> >> > phrasing. > >> >> > So I ask again: > >> >> > > >> >> > Will providing full "test-patch" integration (pre-commit build and > >> >> > unit > >> >> > test > >> >> > triggered by Jira "Patch Available" state) satisfy your request for > >> >> > functionality #1 and #2? Yes or no, please. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks, > >> >> > --Matt > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Konstantin Shvachko > >> >> > <shv.had...@gmail.com> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Hi Matt, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Matt Foley < > mfo...@hortonworks.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > Konstantin, > >> >> >> > I would like to explore what it would take to remove this > >> >> >> > perceived > >> >> >> > impediment -- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Glad you decided to explore. Thank you. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > although I reserve the right to argue that this is not > >> >> >> > pre-requisite to merging the cross-platform support patch. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It's your right indeed. So as mine to question what the platform > >> >> >> support means for you, which I believe remained unclear. > >> >> >> I do not impede the change as you should have noticed. My > >> >> >> requirement > >> >> >> comes from my perception of the support, which means to me exactly > >> >> >> two > >> >> >> things: > >> >> >> 1. The ability to recognise the code is broken for the platform > >> >> >> 2. The ability to test new patches on the platform > >> >> >> The latter is problematic, as many noticed in this thread, for > those > >> >> >> whose customary environment does not include Windows. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > If we implemented full "test-patch" support for Windows on > trunk, > >> >> >> > would > >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> > fulfill both your items #1 and #2? Please note that: > >> >> >> > a) Pushing the "Patch Available" button in Jira shall cause a > >> >> >> > pre-commit > >> >> >> > build to start within, I believe, 20 minutes. > >> >> >> > b) That build keeps logs for both java build and unit tests for > >> >> >> > several > >> >> >> > days, that are accessible to all viewers. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> In item #1 I mostly asking for the nightly build, which is simpler > >> >> >> than "test-patch". The latter would be ideal from the platform > >> >> >> support > >> >> >> viewpoint, but it is for the community to decide if we want to add > >> >> >> extra +3 hours to the build. > >> >> >> Nightly build in my understanding is triggered by the timer rather > >> >> >> than by Jira's "submit patch" button. On Jenkins build > >> >> >> configuration > >> >> >> you can specify it under "Build periodically". > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So, does this provide sufficient on-demand support that we don't > >> >> >> > have > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > implement a whole new on-demand VM support structure of some > sort > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > #2 > >> >> >> > (which would be an extraordinary and impractical demand)? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I did not mention VMs. Item #2 means a build, which runs > >> >> >> "test-patch" > >> >> >> target with the file specified by a user (instead of a jira > >> >> >> attachment). > >> >> >> When user clicks "Build Now" link a box is displayed where the > user > >> >> >> can enter the file path containing the patch. This can be > specified > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> the Build Configuration under "This build is parameterized" by > >> >> >> choosing AddParameter / FileParameter. The build can run on the > same > >> >> >> Windows machine as the nightly build. > >> >> >> Such build will let people test their patches for Windows on > Jenkins > >> >> >> if they don't posses a license for the right version of Windows. > >> >> >> I hope this will not turn into extraordinary or impractical > effort. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks, > >> >> >> --Konst > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks, > >> >> >> > --Matt > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Konstantin Shvachko > >> >> >> > <shv.had...@gmail.com> > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -1 > >> >> >> >> We should have a CI infrastructure in place before we can > commit > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> supporting Windows platform. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Eric is right Win/Cygwin was supported since day one. > >> >> >> >> I had a Windows box under my desk running nightly builds back > in > >> >> >> >> 2006-07. > >> >> >> >> People were irritated but I was filing windows bugs until 0.22 > >> >> >> >> release. > >> >> >> >> Times changing and I am glad to see wider support for Win > >> >> >> >> platform. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> But in order to make it work you guys need to put the CI > process > >> >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> place > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 1. windows jenkins build: could be nightly or PreCommit. > >> >> >> >> - Nightly would mean that changes can be committed to trunk > based > >> >> >> >> on > >> >> >> >> linux PreCommit build. And people will file bugs if the change > >> >> >> >> broke > >> >> >> >> Windows nightly build. > >> >> >> >> - PreCommit-win build will mean automatic reporting failed > tests > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> respective jira blocking commits the same way as it is now with > >> >> >> >> linux > >> >> >> >> PreCommit builds. > >> >> >> >> We should discuss which way is more efficient for developers. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 2. On-demand-windows Jenkins build. > >> >> >> >> I see it as a build to which I can attach my patch and the > build > >> >> >> >> will > >> >> >> >> run my changes on a dedicated windows box. > >> >> >> >> That way people can test their changes without having personal > >> >> >> >> windows > >> >> >> >> nodes. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I think this is the minimal set of requirement for us to be > able > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> commit to the new platform. > >> >> >> >> Right now I see only one windows related build > >> >> >> >> https://builds.apache.org/view/Hadoop/job/Hadoop-1-win/ > >> >> >> >> Which was failing since Sept 8, 2012 and did not run in the > last > >> >> >> >> month. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Thanks, > >> >> >> >> --Konst > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Eric Baldeschwieler > >> >> >> >> <eri...@hortonworks.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > +1 (non-binding) > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > A few of observations: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > - Windows has actually been a supported platform for Hadoop > >> >> >> >> > since > >> >> >> >> > 0.1 > >> >> >> >> > . > >> >> >> >> > Doug championed supporting windows then and we've continued > to > >> >> >> >> > do > >> >> >> >> > it > >> >> >> >> > with > >> >> >> >> > varying vigor over time. To my knowledge we've never made a > >> >> >> >> > decision > >> >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> > drop windows support. The change here is improving our > support > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > dropping > >> >> >> >> > the requirement of cigwin. We had Nutch windows users on the > >> >> >> >> > list > >> >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> > 2006 > >> >> >> >> > and we've been supporting windows FS requirements since > >> >> >> >> > inception. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > - A little pragmatism will go a long way. As a community > we've > >> >> >> >> > got > >> >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> > stay committed to keeping hadoop simple (so it does work on > >> >> >> >> > many > >> >> >> >> > platforms) > >> >> >> >> > and extending it to take advantage of key emerging > OS/hardware > >> >> >> >> > features, > >> >> >> >> > such as containers, new FSs, virtualization, flash ... We > >> >> >> >> > should > >> >> >> >> > all > >> >> >> >> > plan > >> >> >> >> > to let new features & optimizations emerge that don't work > >> >> >> >> > everywhere, if > >> >> >> >> > they are compelling and central to hadoop's mission of being > >> >> >> >> > THE > >> >> >> >> > best > >> >> >> >> > fabric > >> >> >> >> > for storing and processing big data. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > - A UI project like KDE has to deal with the MANY differences > >> >> >> >> > between > >> >> >> >> > windows and linux UI APIs. Hadoop faces no such complex > >> >> >> >> > challenge > >> >> >> >> > and hence > >> >> >> >> > can be maintained from a single codeline IMO. It is mostly > >> >> >> >> > abstracted from > >> >> >> >> > the OS APIs via Java and our design choices. Where it is not > >> >> >> >> > we > >> >> >> >> > can > >> >> >> >> > continue to add plugable abstractions. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >
