Hi all

 This topic seems to have separate discussions going on in the harbour and
harbour-users lists and the two seem rather disconnected.  I suggest that
we might all get a lot further if we consolidate the discussion into one
of the two lists.  At this stage the most important questions probably
relate to what users may or may not want, so on that basis I would suggest
the harbour-users list but I would be happy either way.

 If we were to develop an "ORM" or "OODBMS" or whatever you want to call
such a thing it shouldn't require any change to the xBase language as
currently implemented.

 I am no software theorist but I have played with an OO database - is that
an ORM? - and in my opinion such an approach does provide advantages over
what is already implemented in the xBase language.  These presumably
include:

 application client receives data in a more readily usable format
 "scatter gather" (I think that is what people call it) happens
automatically
 automate much of the process of persistence (eg object id / primary key
allocation)
 application can make a single request to persist an object that contains
other objects (cf multiple SQL statements if using an SQL based data
server)
 depending on how the server stores the data more flexibility in the
structure of what you store

 Regards
 Doug
 
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