Hi,
On 12/7/23 11:25 AM, MSavoritias wrote:
On 12/7/23 09:42, Ada Stevenson wrote:
Hi,
On 12/2/23 8:20 AM, MSavoritias wrote:
Hey, I thought this mailing list is the most fitting for the request
feel free to point out if its better somewhere else.
Is the community open to have group chats listed in other networks
than IRC assuming they are free software?
Having chat groups in different networks is going to greatly improve
the accessibility of the project towards new contributors which I
think we recently wanted to start working on as one of our areas of
focus.
The group chat I am talking about is in xmpp/jabber and it is here
-> g...@chat.disroot.org
It has already the CoC of the guix project and xmpp is free software
from server to client.
Also disclaimer: I am not talking about starting to bridge them.
That is an entirely separate thing with different tradeoffs and
maintenance.
Just listing the group chat is easy though :)
Msavoritias
This sounds like a good idea to me! XMPP just works a lot nicer with
stuff like attachments and message logging without needing peripheral
tooling like znc to get around things like message
logging/persistance. Whether we go with disroot.org to host the chat,
or whether GNU can host something for us in the future I'm not sure,
but I'm keen to see more usage of XMPP.
I think the channel should be listed once we have a strong consensus
that we want to use XMPP as a main communication channel. Perhaps
this is suitable for a RFI?
Why main communication channel? I mean sure we can have a discussion
regarding that, but I think that brings far more questions than just
listing the xmpp channel as an alternative.
Plus we don't even know how desirable it would be for it to be the
main channel? (Although a lot of people have started to appear in the
channel which is nice ^^)
Sorry, I got a bit overzealous, haha! You're right, I don't think its
useful to be talking about changing the 'main' channel as it were. IRC
is mature and is working well at the moment, and is integrated with a
lot of people's workflows already (ERC for emacs, for example).
The model I was looking at was similar to ->
General-purpose programming language and toolchain for maintaining
robust, optimal, and reusable software. - ziglang/zig
github.com
Community <#>
General-purpose programming language and toolchain for maintaining
robust, optimal, and reusable software. - Community ยท ziglang/zig Wiki
๐ https://github.com/ziglang/zig/wiki/Community
<https://github.com/ziglang/zig/wiki/Community>
I see. In my opinion I'm not the biggest fan of having all of these
disjoint spaces for a community the size of Guix (that is, relatively
small). There are a lot of merits at this stage to keeping communication
centralised so everyone can be seen and heard. Of course, as the project
matures and more people come to use it, it is natural that more channels
on different platforms will pop up; this works when there are many
people working on a project and traffic gets too heavy and needs from a
platform diversify.
As it stands now, I think having IRC, XMPP and the mailing list as
communication platforms serve to cover the needs of most people, whilst
still keeping things central.
However, I understand the desire to keep everything as central as
possible, especially when it comes to communication. IRC works well
enough in most cases, and by far has the most active users. This
doesn't mean things can improve, though, and the niceties provided by
a more modern protocol such as XMPP could be worth it, potentially.
Anyway, there isn't much harm in maintaining our own XMPP channel for
those who wish to use it.
What is being proposed here? hosting our own xmpp server or promoting
this as an "official" channel? whatever that means.
I am proposing hosting our own server as well as putting the XMPP
channel on the Guix homepage, promoting it as a means to get in touch
with the community in the same way IRC and the mailing list are.
The current disadvantage with hosting on disroot.org is the 30 day
message and file storage limitation[1]. One of the great things about
the IRC chat is the online, searchable log[2] that goes all the way back
to 2013. The benefits of having conversations saved like this speaks for
itself. If there is a way to replicate this with XMPP and bypass this 30
day limitation this would make XMPP far more viable as a communication
channel.
MSavoritias
Thanks,
Ada (adanksa)
[1] https://disroot.org/en/services/xmpp
[2] https://logs.guix.gnu.org
What do you think?
Thanks,
Ada (adanska)
