Hi Leo, Leo Famulari <l...@famulari.name> writes: > I feel that, ultimately, we already trust most software authors > implicitly and totally, because we are not auditing their programs.
Agreed. > So, I am personally happy to enable the telemetry for most software I > use — especially if it is free software and especially for software > that deals with the network. That's your personal decision, and I agree that telemetry functionality should be permissible in Guix, as long as it's opt-in. > I don't personally see the point of treating telemetry as a special > case in terms of trust or consent. One problem is that telemetry involves trusting more than just the developer. Telemetry also reveals information to the user's internet service provider, the network operators between user and the server, the company that controls the hardware that the server runs on, and any intelligence agencies or other hostile actors that have infiltrated those networks or servers. Moreover, if the server keeps logs, governments may coerce the developer into surrendering those logs. Therefore, when a program generates unsolicited and unexpected network traffic -- and I certainly do *not* expect a terminal program to generate network traffic -- it is effectively leaking some of your private information to all of those other actors. That, in itself, is arguably a breach of trust, regardless of the developer's presumably good intentions. I understand that many people have given up on protecting their privacy, or simply don't care. Kitty's developer seems to be of that mindset. However, I strongly believe that each Guix user should be given the opportunity to make that decision for themselves, i.e. that telemetry, auto-update checks, and more generally unsolicited network traffic should be disabled until the user has given informed consent. What do other people think? Regards, Mark -- Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Ask me about <https://stallmansupport.org>.