Pjotr Prins transcribed 2.2K bytes: > Continuing this train of thought: there is actually a business case > for something like ethical hosting. For us it is 'easy' to create > services such as mail servers with IMAP and web front-end, mail-main > servers, wikimedia servers etc. But it is not easy for everyone, And > it is certainly not easy to get it right, i.e., setup and security. > > Individuals and companies are willing to pay for VPS, and I am sure > they are willing to pay for a full FOSS stack deployable on a VPS. > There is added value and therefore money. > > With Guix we can make configurable deployments that gives people to > deploy anywhere. I know many companies and organisations (such as > universities!) outsource their mail servers to companies such as > google and Microsoft. They ought to be getting concerned about > privacy, not least because of recent changes in American law - let > alone those that operate in less lawful countries. > > It is too much to achieve for one person, but I think if we can get a > number of people together we can turn Guix work into cash. Mailman > would be a good start. Next a configurable mail server with webmail to > compete with gmail and protonmail? > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:18:14AM +0000, ng0 wrote: > > Good and interesting idea, if you have the money. > > I prefer to work on snippets and instructions, deploying more servers > > than necessary isn't an option for myself at the moment. > > I don't think we should offer VPS (at first). But we can offer the > choice of using other VPS'. The VPS marked is overcrowded and very > competitive - I would not want to compete with that. I want to compete > with companies that offer hosting, but do not provide the software > stack. I also want people to have access to their own VPS. That is the > ethical part.
Okay, then I do not understandand completely where you are going with this. For a hosted service you need a host first. Do you want to offer consulting work, so that this can be deployed at service (which furthermore would require some legal annoyance), as a service? In other words, some of us probably to cover the legal part with a contract at Guix Europe e.v. (if the registered association law in France works similar to the ones in Germany) will set up services on demand for interested people and organizations? > > Mantioning mailman and GuixSD: We'd first need to get all of Mailman > > packaged. 2/3 parts are still missing, I have started to work on hyperkitty > > but if you are interested and willing to continue it would be nice. > > Yes. postfix we also need. But we do have OpenSMTPD and Dovecot, which is enough already to make Postfix not an blocking issue. All I know about Mailman is that it needs some MTA. My only contact with it so far was administration and packaging. > > > Afterwards we would need a system service, and then it would be good > > to try this out in the wild (or intranet) to see what can be done to > > run this service (and all connected ones) in a container. > > Aye, Guix rocks so much it hurts ;). > > Pj. > > -- > -- PGP and more: https://people.pragmatique.xyz/ng0/
