Hello Ludo’, Am 15.03.2021 um 18:09 schrieb Ludovic Courtès:
Woow, this is great news! I think it would be great towards importing it in Guile proper. To do that, I think we should first get Andy’s opinion on the approach.
I don't think upstream is very interested in having psyntax-pp.scm bootstrappable. In Guile 3.0.3 they broke even the `make ice-9/psyntax-pp.scm.gen` target, and did not repair it even in Guile 3.0.5, that's why I used 3.0.2 for the bootstrap. But I included a patch to repair it in 3.0.5 in case you really want to bootstrap that version (psyntax-pp.scm has not changed there). OTOH, from the git log it seems like psyntax is currently being overhauled for the next release, so probably my code would need some updates for the next version. Also, in the last 15 years I avoided directly contributing to "GNU projects" (with FSF as copyright holder in the license headers), reasons below. But if anyone else takes my code and upstreams it, I won't object. Regardless, even when not part of Guile, I believe this code is very useful for both the live-bootstrap project and Guix to get their Guile bootstrapped. And even if nobody ever updates it for 3.0.6+, you can always bootstrap the later versions from an earlier Guile. And maybe a variation of it lands in GNU Mes, too. <rant> And now for the reasons. It happened first to me 17 years ago, what others would have called an honor, a private email from RMS himself if I would consider upstreaming some of my code into GNU Emacs. I answered to feel free to take it, since it is GPLv3+ (or was it GPLv2+ at that point? not sure) anyway, and he replied that it is not that easy since first they need a to have me sign "copyright assignment papers" and asked for a postal address to send them. I was able to find an old version of that assignment online and it included some clauses I was unwilling to sign, so I asked if FSF could send me an electronic version first before I give them my postal address so they can snail mail me the dead-tree version, just to avoid work on their side assuming that I may not be willing to sign that anyway. As FSF was unable/unwilling to do so, it all stopped, until, years later somebody asked me to contribute some of my code to ELPA. I guess I can spare you the details, they would bore you. I'm not at all against contracts, the http://developercertificate.org/ (which I agreed to before contributing a 2-line bugfix to the Linux kernel) has recently got some traction, and also I've signed Google's Contributor License Agreement. However, I would not sign Oracle's Contributor License Agremment (the last version of it that I checked), not because of the company but because of its contents. </rant> Regards, Michael
