On Fri 10 Mar 2017 08:38, Eli Zaretskii <e...@gnu.org> writes: >> From: Andy Wingo <wi...@pobox.com> >> Cc: l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès), guile-user@gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 20:56:09 +0100 >> >> > That's what I'm trying to tell you: there's no aggression. >> >> I understand that different people can have different reactions and it's >> great that you can look through "style" to the substance. I and a >> number of other contributors (evidently including Ludovic) find it hard >> to do so, and the only reason we try is because we care about Guile. >> It's really weird though to try to ignore this "style" when the style >> often says precisely that we _don't_ care, in those words, and other >> times in as many words. > > Given the certain amount of frustration over the real problems that > didn't get solved until now, you can understand that, don't you?
Oh sure. Lots of frustration going around :) However I know that if I need help making something better, then I should avoid antagonizing other people working on it, especially the maintainers who will be left maintaining the code. That's all. > I had my share of problems reported here, mostly with working patches, > some of which took many moons, sometimes years to get solved upstream. Yeah sorry about that :/ For the record I really appreciate your work and have always enjoyed working with you and I definitely sympathize with your frustrations. I also think that it would not have been the right thing for Guile to simply apply some of the in-line portability fixes that were the starting points for many of your excellent patches -- it took work on both sides to get them applied, and that work on my side at least competed with many other things. I would like to focus less on individual people and more on behaviors though. > So maybe the project leadership should try to improve the efficiency > of handling bug reports and of catering to the problems raised by > projects using Guile, as a means to lower frustration and make the > environment friendlier? Certainly, I hope we do that :) Of course that depends on good will on everyone's part, maintainers and contributors, and I think there are "styles" that create good will and styles that don't help. Happy hacking, Andy
