I have to apologise for the massive hatched-job I did with that "rebase"! :P
Some references to my own modules were left in, other variables mixed up,
etc.

I think it's in better shape now. Checked that tests run at least!
It's the same feature branch URL
<https://github.com/dadinn/guile/tree/wip-hygienic-expect>... but I've
force pushed it! ;)

Best regards,
Daniel Dinnyes

On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 at 16:48, Daniel Dinnyes <dinny...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've rebased my changes onto a fork of Guile's main branch on Github:
> https://github.com/dadinn/guile/tree/wip-hygienic-expect
>
> Added back the original attributions and comments.
> I've also tried to follow the branch-naming conventions. 😉
>
> Also, I've added a module ice-9/expect-tests for some comprehensive tests.
> Wasn't sure where to place it, and how to integrate into the existing
> test-suite.
>
> Not sure how to send a PR by email, but I suppose it should be easy to
> pull, by adding my fork as an additional remote.
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel Dinnyes
>
>
> On Mon, 29 May 2023 at 22:33, Maxime Devos <maximede...@telenet.be> wrote:
>
>>  >p 29-05-2023 om 03:40 schreef Daniel Dinnyes:
>> > Thanks for the reply.
>> >
>> > On Sun, 28 May 2023 at 14:39, Maxime Devos <maximede...@telenet.be
>> > <mailto:maximede...@telenet.be>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     I think this would gather more replies if:
>> >
>> >        1. It is sent as a patch that can be applied to the Guile source
>> >     tree.
>> >
>> >     (You wrote:
>> >
>> >       > If the community likes this implementation, I would be happy to
>> >       > apply/rebase my changes onto the official repo, and then we can
>> go
>> >       > from there!
>> >
>> >     but to determine whether I'm happy with it, it would be convenient
>> if
>> >     this were a proper patch.)
>> >     (I'm not actually reviewing Guile stuff at the moment, but I find it
>> >     likely that some others might hold the same view.)
>> >
>> >
>> > Regarding patches, I think I've read somewhere that GNU wants
>> > contributions in some different format,
>> > than just URLs to pull-able GIT repos. Could you share with me some
>> > guide how to do such patches,
>> > or what format they are needed?
>>
>> Format: the result of 'git send-email', or 'git format-patch + attach
>> the patch as an attachment'.  I've heard that the guide at
>> <https://git-send-email.io/> for 'git send-email' is good.
>>
>> Still, setting up a fork + sending a PR (by e-mail), while not the most
>> preferred format, would still be pretty good (‘git diff’ can then be
>> used!).
>>
>> > I am assuming this <https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guile.git/> is
>> the
>> > repo of current guile tree, onto which to apply my changes.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> > Onto which branch?
>>
>> The branch named 'main'.
>>
>> > Would it possible to fork the repo on savannah, and then raise a PR
>> from
>> > there instead of patches?
>>
>> Savannah doesn't have a notion of 'forks' AFAIK. (Emphasis on the ‘I
>> don't know’ in ‘AFAIK’, maybe it actually does have them in some form.)
>>
>> However, you can do a PR ‘manually’ by setting up a fork of the repo at
>> some random hosting site of your choice, pushing some commits there, and
>> sending a (free-form) e-mail to guile-devel@gnu.org with a message
>> containing information on where to find the repository and which
>> branch/commit.
>>
>> (You don't need PR / fork buttons to do PRs and forks!)
>>
>> > Also, I've tried to create account on savannah, but it keeps getting
>> > deleted.
>> > What would you recommend I do to ensure my account doesn't get removed?
>>
>> I don't have clue; I only fetch from savannah, I don't have an account
>> there.
>>
>> > [...]
>> > I am not sure I would agree with your assessment about /illegality/,
>> and
>> > the /derivative work/ categorization.
>> > Even though these macros happen to expand to something similar as the
>> > original ice-9 implementation,
>> > the code itself is quite significantly different! If this is to be used
>> > in ice-9, it would have to completely
>> > replace the original expect.scm file, as nothing was copy/pasted from
>> > there. The fact that parameter binding
>> > names are the same is necessary for backwards compatibility, so those
>> > wouldn't count even under the US laws
>> > <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56639088>.
>>
>> I assumed it is a derivative work because you presented it as a ‘rewrite
>> of [the original]’.  Maybe it's possible to rewrite something a lot
>> until its no longer a derivative work (I don't know if that's possible),
>> but by default I'd assume that rewrites are derivative works.
>>
>> I didn't use ‘same procedure names’ as a reason (as you wrote, those
>> aren't a problem).
>>
>> > On second thought, I am wrong! The expect-select helper function looks
>> > like a direct copy-paste job... little naughty me!
>>
>> TBC, I ascribe no guilt.  The thing is that I've noticed in the past
>> that people often use the GPL without knowing what that entails
>> precisely, which can have unintended consequences, like e.g.
>> unintentionally licensing something as GPLv1+ instead of GPLv3+ (or
>> GPLv3+ instead of GPLv3, but that mistake is actually pretty convenient
>> for distributions :P).
>>
>> (Also, Guile relies on the (L)GPL as a form of protection against some
>> forms of malice, so I think it's important that we also follow the
>> (L)GPL terms itself.)
>>
>> > Nevertheless, I would be happy to add the necessary notices if that is
>> > required.
>> > Also, IIRC there would be another copyright assignment administrative
>> work
>> > somewhere down the line?
>>
>> The copyright assignment used to be required, but nowadays its optional.
>>   Still, it does appear to be preferred.  You would get an e-mail by a
>> Guile maintainer with more info, it's not something you initiate yourself.
>>
>> The page https://www.fsf.org/licensing/contributor-faq sort-of implies
>> the opposite, but IIRC there is another page somewhere or gnu.org that
>> doesn't; I don't know what's up with that.  (Either way, I'd think that
>> things will work out in the end.)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Maxime Devos
>>
>

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