On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:18:48PM -0700, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:48 -0700
> From: Michael Torrie <torr...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: no joy...
> CC: Gtk-app <gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org>
>
> On 12/22/2011 03:46 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
> > abbrevs. iFWIW, my last brain op messed up my entire rt
> > side and because my left hand wasn't that good, i type only
> > around 20wpm. by learning only 130 or abbrvs, you can gain
> > roughly 30%. so imagine some poor kid [[[ OR woman--or,
> > for that matter, anybody who has a driving goal to learn and
> > to *communicate*]]]:: there are roughly 100million with some
> > kind of physical disability.
>
> I now understand why you want to use something like gvim. I presume
> your abbreviation system is done through .vimrc macros? Please tell me
> more how you accomplish this.
you're asking the wrong guy; i dont know much about the
ins/outs of vi. and i was starting my eecs when bill joy
was working on his master's. he fixed up vi so it can be
used with only one Hand. i knew nothing about abbrevs until
like 20 years ago.
in ~/.exer, after your set cmds, you use abbreviations
like so:
ab u you
ab th the
ab thr there
ab i I
and so on. since my app only cares about sounds, you
can use they're, there, their with one string: 'thr'
>
> > typing on an editor like vi/gvim that has builtin
> > abbreviations means fewer keystrokes.
>
> > that's what gvim does. my default filename is 'talk.[N].txt.
> > after i've typed "[qesc]:x[enter]" espeak -f <file> reads
> > it and opens "talk.[N+1]txt" and wait for keybd input.
> >
> > but say that somebody want to hear what i said several
> > minutes before. i heave to search all my *txt files to find
> > the one he wants. thed display button will bring up 500, 500
> > windows. i need buttons on the popped window. or window.
> > One window: buttons like [prev], [nrxt], [speak] [qauit
> > window].
>
> Hmm. This is going to be very hard to do with GTK+ (or any other UI
> toolkit for that matter). You are trying to drive a full blown
> graphical app in its own right with your graphical app.
>
> You could re-implement the abbreviations things you use in vim with a
> standard TextView editor widget in GTK+. You could do this two ways.
> Either intercept keystrokes and fill in the full word (easy to do in
> TextView), or just keep everything abbreviated and then expand the
> abbreviations when sending the output to espeak.
>
> Or you could try to implement your needs as native vim code. Use Gvim's
> facilities rather than try to hack your own in GTK+ and try to get them
> to work with Gvim.
>
> I'm coming back to my original suggestion. Instead of running gvim,
> could you just run straight vim in a VTE GTK+ widget? I presume your
> abbreviations are all defined in .vimrc. This way it at least integrate
> with your GTK+ code. That's really the only way you're going to get it
> to work even close to the way you describe.
>
> I might hack together something here over the holidays. It will be in
> python, but maybe it will help. You might want to try a bit of python.
> There are way less non-alphanumeric characters than in C, so it would
> be easier for you to type. Structure is done with spaces instead of
> curly braces.
i'm just starting to teach myself python. it's a great
language, but after a billion years with C it's easier.
what if i gave up on tthe abbrevs? would that make life
simpler? --all i want is those butttons; [[muumble]]
>
> >> Okay so you are trying to come up with a graphical program whereby you
> >> can type something (say in a text box) and have espeak speak it so that
> >> others can hear and understand you? Do I have this right?
> >
> >
> > i think so; it isn't rocket science ... i'll send you the
> > code with the gcc line if you 'd like.
>
> Feel free to post GTK+ code here to this list and we can look it over a bit.
>
> I'm starting to get a feel for what you are trying to accomplish. I am
> glad you remain able to communicate fairly well through the written word.
>
> Michael
i really appreciate any help o r pointers.... i'm reading
docss and running tests. rt now:: coffee break {w/
cookies:)
later on,
gary
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