I cannot confirm the exact number of open streaming calls on C during the last occurrence, but my assumption is just a few.
I have tried processing one of the unary calls now with debug logging enabled on C and this shows: 2024-11-27 13:17:37.088 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] OUTBOUND SETTINGS: ack=false settings={MAX_CONCURRENT_STREAMS=2147483647, INITIAL_WINDOW_SIZE=1048576, MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE=8192} 2024-11-27 13:17:37.089 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] OUTBOUND WINDOW_UPDATE: streamId=0 windowSizeIncrement=983041 2024-11-27 13:17:37.090 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] INBOUND SETTINGS: ack=false settings={ENABLE_PUSH=0, MAX_CONCURRENT_STREAMS=0, INITIAL_WINDOW_SIZE=1048576, MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE=8192} 2024-11-27 13:17:37.090 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] OUTBOUND SETTINGS: ack=true 2024-11-27 13:17:37.090 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] INBOUND WINDOW_UPDATE: streamId=0 windowSizeIncrement=983041 2024-11-27 13:17:37.091 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] INBOUND SETTINGS: ack=true 2024-11-27 13:17:37.092 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] INBOUND HEADERS: streamId=3 headers=GrpcHttp2RequestHeaders[:path: /ra.hub.grpc.api.v1.SessionService/stopSession, :authority: 10.40.80.78, :method: POST, :scheme: http, te: trailers, content-type: application/grpc, user-agent: grpc-java-netty/1.66.0, grpc-accept-encoding: gzip, grpc-timeout: 59969004u] streamDependency=0 weight=16 exclusive=false padding=0 endStream=false 2024-11-27 13:17:37.110 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] INBOUND DATA: streamId=3 padding=0 endStream=true length=63 bytes=000000003a0a2435373239663665342d396633662d343738382d383132372d32343633636338663339666412120a0a6875622d6575732d3161120455532d31 2024-11-27 13:17:37.110 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] OUTBOUND PING: ack=false bytes=1234 2024-11-27 13:17:37.111 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] INBOUND PING: ack=true bytes=1234 2024-11-27 13:17:37.112 [INFO] (grpc-default-executor-3) org.dett.router.grpc.RouterSessionGrpcService: - Processing stopSession request {uuid: "5729f6e4-9f3f-4788-8127-2463cc8f39fd" hubId { name: "hub-eus-1a" cluster: "US-1" }} 2024-11-27 13:17:37.115 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] OUTBOUND HEADERS: streamId=3 headers=GrpcHttp2OutboundHeaders[:status: 200, content-type: application/grpc, grpc-encoding: identity, grpc-accept-encoding: gzip] padding=0 endStream=false 2024-11-27 13:17:37.115 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] OUTBOUND DATA: streamId=3 padding=0 endStream=false length=5 bytes=0000000000 2024-11-27 13:17:37.116 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] OUTBOUND HEADERS: streamId=3 headers=GrpcHttp2OutboundHeaders[grpc-status: 0] padding=0 endStream=true 2024-11-27 13:17:37.118 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] INBOUND PING: ack=false bytes=1234 2024-11-27 13:17:37.118 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] OUTBOUND PING: ack=true bytes=1234 2024-11-27 13:17:57.118 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] INBOUND PING: ack=false bytes=1111 2024-11-27 13:17:57.118 [DEBUG] (grpc-default-worker-ELG-3-2) io.grpc.netty.shaded.io.grpc.netty.NettyServerHandler: - [id: 0xab7eb2ae, L:/10.40.80.78:10010 - R:/10.40.80.77:49754] OUTBOUND PING: ack=true bytes=1111 I think this indicates *max_concurrent_streams* for C as a server is unlimited. Maybe I have oversimplified in the original post. We actually have 2 instances of A, 2 instances of B and N instances of C. One observation was that at one time, we had stale channel B1>C2 and stale channel B2>C4, while all other channels were working. In other words, the problem does not affect all channels from given B instance or all channels to given C instance. It seems to be channel specific. Just to check one related idea I had -- is it possible that enabling *keepAliveWithoutCalls* on B could make this issue go away? The reasoning is that if gRPC client on B sees incoming traffic from C, it may never probe the channel to C, thus won't detect the issue without this option. Dne úterý 26. listopadu 2024 v 20:53:01 UTC+1 uživatel Yuri Golobokov napsal: > How many server streaming calls are open to C at the time of the issue? > Does C limits the number of maximum concurrent streams? (you can see it in > the debug logs for the SETTINGS frame coming from C) > On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 7:22:16 AM UTC-8 Jiří Krutil wrote: > >> When running our Java application in MS Azure, we sometimes observe very >> strange behavior, which appears as if a long-lived gRPC channel was working >> only in one direction and was not delivering any RPC calls in the opposite >> direction. >> >> Out setup is that we have three apps connected via gRPC: >> >> A -> B -> C >> >> B usually has a long-lived server streaming gRPC requests to C open, >> consuming updates from C. When the issue occurs, updates from C are still >> streaming to B, but no new unary requests made by B make it to C. >> >> The unary requests made by B are originated by A. B receives the request >> from A and sends an unary request to C with a deadline copied from the >> original request. After 20 seconds, B sees an "RPC cancelled" event, which >> I believe comes from A in response to some kind of timeout. >> >> The problem occurs randomly and when it occurs, the channel never >> recovers. >> >> Debug logging seems to show that when B receives the request from A, it >> creates a new stub using an existing (cached) channel and attempts to send >> a request to C, but that request is actually never sent. >> >> If I make B forget the cached channel and create a new one, the unary >> request to C works fine. >> >> We have keepAlive enabled on these channels, so I am surprised that >> potential issues with the underlying connection are not detected by the >> keepAlive mechanism. Is it possible that since traffic is steadily flowing >> in the direction from C to B, that B never pings C to see if communication >> in the opposite direction works as well? >> >> I suppose we could work around this by adding application-level health >> checking for every channel, but I thought this is already taken care of by >> gRPC. >> >> Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "grpc.io" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to grpc-io+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/grpc-io/a21fa847-405a-4477-b827-7c7f94749282n%40googlegroups.com.