On 09/06/15 12:44, Patrick Cloke wrote: > - User facing component: Pocket is a MUCH more user facing feature > than, e.g. safe browsing is. Frankly, I'd suggest many non-power users > don't know that safe browsing is a thing...and if they do know, they > probably have no idea how it works. Search engines obviously have quite > a bit of clout in the UI, but the utility of them is probably
I agree this is a difference, but I'm not sure how it's relevant if people are making an argument based on principle. > - Openness of it: there's an open format for search engines, I can go > use Google, Yahoo, Bing, Duck Duck Go, or make my own. I'm not being > locked into a specific vendor. (And no, having a public API does not > make it open. The control is from the wrong side: for it to be open the > browser vendors and services need to agree upon an API. It cannot be > controlled by the services.) It is a good question as to whether, if Pocket came back to us and said "actually, we need to change this API", and there were 3rd party implementations of it, whether Mozilla would say Yes. I hope we would say "no, not without notice and a transition period". But perhaps it is worth investigating how Mozilla and Pocket view this API and its stability. > - Privacy implications: Just a little extra point in the comparison to > search engines; search engines have "always" been part of the browser, > even before "privacy" was the "crisis" that it is now. I'd suggest that > users will put new features that have any sort of privacy implication > under significant more scrutiny now than 5 - 10 years ago. Perhaps, although I've not see anyone say "I've read Pocket's privacy policy, the one that applies to this feature (as amended in consultation with the Mozilla privacy team) and I object to X, Y and Z." > - Utility: And to tie back into Nicholas argument, I'd also suggest the > use case is important. For search engines it is clear that users are > using a third party service, and (I hope) understand there is privacy > implications. I think "it's not sufficiently clear that Pocket is a third party service" may actually be a reasonable objection. If people have specifics on this, they would be worth discussing. > [0] I also have other issues with it, such as how it landed (on beta, > really?) How it was integrated in a point release...and I don't care > about the argument "version numbers don't mean anything", that's a > delusion. I have concerns about that too, but I think they are out of scope for the current discussion. > [1] Although it seems that every new feature added to Firefox recently > is one that I don't use...and have no interest in using. :) Have you tried Hello? It really is rather nice. Surely you would want to use it, even if only for reasons of competitive research :-) Gerv _______________________________________________ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
