I agree it needs to be a little more complex, but in the coding example it's easy to see if the work produced is comparable.
The "toxicity" of the situation is worth discussing. Yes if someone doesn't expect a job then they won't be upset if they don't get a job. But the situation with volunteers is not so simple as that either. So long as Mozilla pays employees there will be volunteers who hope for a job. Some volunteers are putting the hours in trying to *earn* the job. Mozilla is supposed to be a meritocracy that rewards results, not your resume so I don't think volunteers should be discouraged from trying to earn those jobs. My suggestion is rather than trying to avoid the expectation altogether, we should make it easier to have realistic expectations and be sure we're not overlooking inside talent. I also think there's nothing wrong with a policy that weights towards hiring out of the community. If the community is healthy then we should have the skills needed to pull from in many, if not most, cases. Again this is the ideal scenario and maybe isn't entirely realistic but if we agree it's ideal then it's still worth trying for. Though I don't want the other side of my point to get lost either - using the guidelines to avoid hiring where the problem is that the volunteers aren't being leveraged properly. To make it easier to understand why an outside hire was the right thing. On Apr 7, 2013 10:38 PM, "Justin Dolske" <[email protected]> wrote: > On 4/7/13 11:29 AM, Majken Connor wrote: > > A couple examples: If someone is putting in full time hours coding, this >> is >> exactly the same job as Mozilla pays people to do, and so this person >> should at least be offered a job as well. >> > > This is a perilous road to go down. > > Open source contributions are a _fantastic_ way to build up skills and > verifiable experience, and a strong background in such can weigh heavily in > a candidate's favor. But it's one of many complex factors to consider when > hiring for a position, and no simplistic policy can capture that. Setting > up an expectation that volunteering will ensure a job offer makes for a > pretty toxic relationship. > > Justin > ______________________________**_________________ > governance mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/**listinfo/governance<https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance> > _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
