Hi
It's marvelous read this thread! And as Majken mentioned, we discussed this
in our past council work week (we had very productive weekend). This issue
has become important not just in a technical way but also in politics,
business and human development in general, that's why every day we have
more and more reps involved on it.

The ITU meeting ended, but  not the intentions to control it . SOPA, ACTA
and  PIPA are examples of how  governments will trying to control the
Internet , this agreements are just a modification of the past one in order
to control Internet. Google, Microsoft, UN, ISOC, ICANN and EU have been
discussing about this, but Mozilla is probably the "Good Guy" in this
group, a big and important support for Users interests and Internet health.

I agree with David when he says:

> My belief is that this group (which I think is an excellent idea) will
> draw in passionate and talented people who are deeply committed to a better
> Internet, but not _that_ interested in Mozilla's internal policy
> discussions.


There is a difference between Mozilla's policy and this new module. The
Internet discussion covers several fields and is not easy to distinguish
between a field and another, there aren't a border to remark when a field
ends and other begins.  Internet defense is independent of Mozilla issues
and involves other stakeholders and their own interests.

Working with people who are not involved in Mozilla's internal policy has
some advantages:

   1. They can make proposals independent of Mozilla's policies <- This is
   obvious :)
   2. Mozilla's Policy group do not have to pay attention (at least not
   deeply)  about Internet policy issues
   3. They are just engaged on this topic
   4. This group could be comprised (or supported) by external
   organizations and/or community members who are interested on this topics
   (As Harvey mentioned)
   5. Is a clear communication channel between Mozilla and users interest.
   A lot of people in Mozilla community are paying attention on this, but they
   have not a clear communication channel with Mozilla,  they have not idea if
   Mozilla could help them

I think there must exist a bespoke place for this discussions and it must
be public (at least for now) in order to engage (or invite) people and
organizations who have been part of this discussion and have been working
on it.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:38 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > I also wonder whether influencing public policy is something that,
> possibly controversially, sometimes will need a non-public space to discuss
> possible actions.  In a somewhat paradoxical way, making it possible for
> the Internet Public Policy Module to have private conversations may make it
> easier for Harvey et peers to effectively collect the input of a broader
> set of informed contributors.  Whether or not there's a secondary
> semi-private group, I'm sure Harvey will encourage people who have ideas
> that shouldn't be discussed in public yet to reach out to him.
> >
>
> Adding another voice in favor of creating a bespoke place for this
> discussion.
>
> And, just a thought on the private/public question: drawing from our
> experience from the recent ITU push, I think it'll be inevitable that there
> will be need for non-public spaces to discuss actions. Though these will be
> campaign-specific groups and will involve changing sets of members of
> people within and beyond the Mozilla community (even over the span of a
> given campaign).
>
> So, my thought is that a permanent secondary semi-private group isn't
> immediately necessary (and might put an odd spin on the discussion in the
> public forum), and we'd be able to quickly spin them up if necessary in any
> case.
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