Also agree with general opinions in this thread: - Actually it is enough to know Java and its ecosystem. - The APIs of those UI frameworks + Web browser as a platform (Web APIs) have to be learned by all Java or JavaScript or TypeScript developers anyway. - As I saw it by myself, it is actually not hard to learn those APIs, see https://bit.ly/GWTModernExperiences
I also agree with CVs and contractors, like what David said. But last time I also didn't think that searching for VueJS developers is also not that easy. At the end you just take a developer with JavaScript and maybe Angular know how... 😀So, you hope that the developer will learn the VueJS fast and this is important, today if you want to learn Spring Boot you have enough resources on Internet, also VueJS / Angular / React. But what about GWT? A lot of things are old... So, yes, we need to update *gwtproject-site* and need to create a lot more resources to learn GWT / J2CL and of course, new versions, new versions - and *always release to Maven Central*... to make the developer experience outstanding... Thanks, Lofi [email protected] schrieb am Dienstag, 6. Oktober 2020 um 19:42:50 UTC+2: > Hi David, > > thanks for your feedback. > > Yes, agree with you with all your points... I'm not sure what we could do > to show that we are still alive... 😀 At the moment we have following: > > - Colin with Vertispan always invites us for an online meetup, here > are the results so far: > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbTjCnaZEusVEAPBMtnz9Fw > - Here you can ask everything about GWT / J2CL so you have the > access to the GWT / J2CL experts. > - Some of us try to spread the words by writing articles, etc. and > also trying to apply for some conference talks. So far not yet successful > with conferences. > - I try to write a short / simple deck and it could be used to show > the advantages of GWT / J2CL to the managers, see > https://bit.ly/gwtintropresentation > - I try to build a "padlet" for Modern GWT / J2CL: > https://bit.ly/GWTIntroPadlet > > What we could do more: > > - Writing a similar web app for Hacker News comparison: > https://hnpwa.com -- with GWT / J2CL and chosen UI framework > - Writing an example web app for Spring Petclinic community: > https://github.com/spring-petclinic -- using GWT / J2CL > - I'll try to open a new repo for libs, see: > https://groups.google.com/g/google-web-toolkit/c/_k8ziDHjiLA/m/wzzxvfEyAAAJ > > Thanks, > Lofi > David Nouls schrieb am Dienstag, 6. Oktober 2020 um 11:21:21 UTC+2: > >> Hi Lofi, >> >> In my company we are the only group that is working with GWT to develop a >> new customer facing application. We have a few products in maintenance mode >> that are also using GWT. But most new developments are using Angular. >> >> The biggest problems we are facing with using GWT/Java for the client are: >> - Lack of developers with GUI and GWT skills >> - Lack of developers who are even willing to learn GWT. GWT is seen as a >> dead technology after Google pushed it out. >> - Management does not like us to keep on using GWT for the same reason. >> >> I managed to convince management to use GWT for our product because we >> have a long history of using GWT and we had experience before with the >> maintenance burdens of using JavaScript in the past. And we can deliver GUI >> changes quite quickly (in many cases much faster than the teams using >> Angular). >> >> But we do have a big problem finding GWT developers or finding people who >> want to learn it. And that is a very big risk for a project. >> >> I know that there is active development going on in GWT and J2CL but, you >> barely see blog posts about GWT or libraries being released for it. >> The gwtproject page is mostly stale, the documentation is mostly about >> old API's. The more advanced features takes some time to find and learn. >> >> If you compare that with the constant release cycle and amount of >> info/noise I see related to Angular and other Frameworks then it is >> understandable that people have the impression that GWT is dead. >> >> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 9:02:18 PM UTC+2 [email protected] >> wrote: >> >>> I would like to know, what are the *obstacles* for you as *Java >>> developers* not using *Java as programming language for writing Web >>> browser apps*. Web browser apps are client-side and *not server-side* Web >>> apps. >>> >>> - Open discussion at https://bit.ly/HackerNewsTypeScriptJavaGWT >>> - Article at https://bit.ly/TypeScriptVsJavaGWT >>> >>> I would like to know from you... Java developers... >>> >>> Thanks, Lofi >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "GWT Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit/214c6418-9597-498d-a8de-063234d1f4f9n%40googlegroups.com.
