Yes, I agree, I think this approach makes sense (and should have been
obvious to me as something to try...).  It could be implementable as a
wrapper transport too.  I'll try it out and reply back here if it doesn't
work.

Thank-you!

Jim


On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 at 12:46, Robert Engels <reng...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Just create a recyclable transport for the bad server and put all of the
> rest on a single shared transport. If one connection is returning 500 for
> all requests I can’t see how a different connection would solve that -
> unless the backend is completely broken.
>
> On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:48 AM, Eli Lindsey <e...@siliconsprawl.com> wrote:
>
> It would work, but has potentially high cost since it also causes any
> healthy conns in the pool to be torn down. How useful it is in practice
> depends on request rate, number of backends behind the lb, and ratio of
> healthy to unhealthy (500’ing) connections. It’s hard to tell from the
> description if it would work here - retrying and reusing the same busted
> connection could mean that the request rate is very low and there’s only
> one idle conn (in which case cycling the transport is a good solution), or
> it could mean that the unhealthy conn is quicker to respond than the pooled
> healthy conns and gobbles up a disproportionate share of requests.
>
> Tangential question, when the backend servers land in this state does the
> lb not detect and remove them?
>
> -eli
>
> On Apr 3, 2024, at 6:41 AM, Robert Engels <reng...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> That probably wasn’t clear. Why not create a Transport per host. Then when
> the 500 is encountered stop using that transport completely and create a
> new instance. Probably want to cancel any requests currently in flight.
>
> The connection pool is per transport.
>
> On Apr 2, 2024, at 11:05 PM, Eli Lindsey <e...@siliconsprawl.com> wrote:
>
> There isn’t a great way to handle this currently - we maintain out of
> tree patches to do something similar, though ours are h2 specific. The crux
> of the problem is that net currently lacks a usable connection pool API
> (there is some slightly newer discussion here, but it’s similar to the
> issue you linked https://github.com/golang/go/discussions/60746).
>
> If you want to stay in tree, one option may be using httptrace GotConnInfo
> and calling Close on the underlying connection (in direct violation of
> GotConnInfo’s doc). I would expect this to error out anything inflight, but
> otherwise be benign (though I have not checked :) ).
>
> -eli
>
> On Apr 2, 2024, at 3:29 PM, Jim Minter <j...@minter.uk> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any ideas about
> https://github.com/golang/go/issues/21978 ("net/http: no Client API to
> close server connection based on Response") -- it's an old issue, but it's
> something that's biting me currently and I can't see a neat way to solve it.
>
> As an HTTP client, I'm hitting a case where some HTTP server instance
> behind a load balancer breaks and starts returning 500s (FWIW with no body)
> and without the "Connection: close" header.  I retry, but I end up reusing
> the same TCP connection to the same broken HTTP instance, so I never hit a
> different backend server and my retry policy is basically useless.
>
> Obviously I need to get the server owner to fix its behavior, but it would
> be great if, as a client, there were a way to get net/http not to reuse the
> connection further, in order to be less beholden to the server's behavior.
>
> This happens with both HTTP/1.1 and HTTP/2.
>
> If appropriate, I could live with the request to close the connection
> racing with other new requests to the same endpoint.  Getting to the point
> where 2 or 3 requests fail and then the connection is closed is way better
> than having requests fail ad infinitum.
>
> http.Transport.CloseIdleConnections() doesn't solve the problem well (a)
> because it's a big hammer, and (b) because there's no guarantee that the
> connection is idle when CloseIdleConnections() is called.
>
> FWIW I can see in `func (pc *persistConn) readLoop()` there's the
> following test:
>
> ```go
> if resp.Close || rc.req.Close || resp.StatusCode <= 199 || bodyWritable {
> // Don't do keep-alive on error if either party requested a close
> // or we get an unexpected informational (1xx) response.
> // StatusCode 100 is already handled above.
> alive = false
> }
> ```
>
> I imagine that extending that to `if resp.Close || rc.req.Close ||
> resp.StatusCode <= 199 || bodyWritable || resp.StatusCode >= 500 {` might
> probably help this specific case, but I imagine that's an unacceptably
> large behavior change for the rest of the world.
>
> I'm not sure how else this could be done.  Does anyone have any thoughts?
>
> Many thanks for the help,
>
> Jim
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