On Saturday, 18 May 2019 00:44:33 UTC+1, Rob 'Commander' Pike wrote:
>
> jail is a clear improvement over the ludicrous gaol...
>

I hadn't actually realised that GAOL vs JAIL was a British vs. US English 
distinction. I thought 'Gaol' was just an archaic spelling of 'Jail', as 
I've only ever come across it in C19th and earlier literature. Even over 
this side of the pond, 'Jail' is used pretty exclusively. Although we 
mostly call it 'Prison' :-)

 

> ...with similar favorable positions taken on draft/draught etc.. 
>
...Australia is closer to Britain but sticks with jail and tire...
>

I don't see why the American reforms are necessarily "Favo[u]rable".  In a 
lot of cases, the US spelling actually causes conflict with an existing 
English word, where in British English there is no ambiguity.  You've 
mentioned two already.  TIRE/TYRE and DRAFT/DRAFT. Just think how much 
potential for confusion is avoided by retaining the British English 
spellings in the following:

1: My car was tired so I had it retyred.
2: A sudden draught blew away my draft 

Programme is just something that came out of the blue, from Scotland I 
> believe, replacing the older program again relatively recently


PROGRAM[ME] is another interesting one. As we [sort of!] have both versions 
in British English. Likewise with DISC/DISK

On television we have PROGRAMMES. At the opera or a football [not Soccer!] 
match, you might buy a PROGRAMME but it's generally considered the norm to 
run a PROGRAM on a computer.

In the same vein, you might admire the DISC of the moon or buy the tax DISC 
for your car or play your music on a compact DISC. But you'll have a DISK 
drive in your computer.  

[Though thankfully the abolition of the Tax Disc, the obsolescence of the 
DC and the advent of the SSD is gradually removing this discrepancy]

On Saturday, 18 May 2019 03:32:42 UTC+1, K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
>
> And let's not forget Indian English - between the countries in the Indian 
> Sub-continent (India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh)...
>

As far as I'm aware the Indian sub-continent officially retains the British 
English spellings. I think you're referring more to regional differences in 
dialect there. That's a whole other can of worms!

Even within the tiny British Isles, there are huge differences in dialects 
of English spoken in different regions. I think people in the US who've 
never visited the British Isles and are only used to hearing that slightly 
artificial and bland-sounding, carefully enunciated "British Accent" that 
most actors from this part of the world seem to adopt when starring in US 
made television and films would probably be shocked to find themselves 
suddenly dumped in the middle of Belfast, Glasgow, Liverpool, Birmingham, 
Dublin, London's East End, etc and trying to follow a conversation amongst 
the locals.

Another thing that I hadn't realised, until I read that article I linked to 
on Noah Webster was that the existing reforms in US spelling were actually 
a much-watered down version of what he had originally intended.  This 
probably explains why they're an odd mixture of [he grudgingly admitted] 
logical changes, such transposing the RE to ER on the end of CENTRE with 
illogical ones such as retaining the C at the beginning, rather than 
replacing it with an S.  

Apparently, if Noah had got his way, it would  have been SENTER but he 
watered down his suggested reforms in the face of public ridicule. Thus 
leaving you Americans with a job only half-done.  Which, I suppose, in a 
way, is why from a British English point of view the differences in 
American English can often seem a bit random and arbitrary.

Tune in same time next week when the topic for discussion will be "Why is 
the American date format so illogical?"  Although I suspect that, on a 
mailing list comprised of coders, that one will be less controversial.

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