I asked AI what is jealousy in Konkani and I got fairly accurate response:
AI Overview
Jealousy in Konkani is commonly expressed as मत्सर (Matsar), दुस्वास
(Duswas), or इर्शा (Irsha). Other terms include असुया (Asuya), किंवाटो
(Kinwato), and द्वेश (Dwesh). A common idiom for feeling jealous is पोटांतु
उजो येवप (potantu uzo yewp), which literally means "fire in the stomach".
Key Konkani Terms for Jealousy:
Matsar / मत्सर (Noun): Envy/Jealousy. (mosor)
Duswas / दुस्वास (Noun): Envy/Jealousy.
Irsha / इर्शा (Noun): Jealousy.
Jalkayo / जळकायो (Noun): Envy. (zalkai)
[Potantu uzo yewop] / पोटांतु उजो येवप (Idiom): To feel jealous.
[Mosrak wakat nam] / मोस्राक वकत नां (Phrase): "There is no medicine
for jealousy" (common proverb).
These terms are used to describe feelings of insecurity, envy, or
possessivenes
On Wed, Apr 15, 2026 at 7:27 AM John de Figueiredo <[email protected]>
wrote:
> William,
> It is remarkable what you have accomplished.
> To your question, “is it worthwhile?” I will quote the famous Portuguese
> poet Fernando Pessoa:
> “Tudo vale a pena
> Quando a alma não é pequena”
> (Everything is worthwhile
> When the soul is not small)
> Just keep going.
> John M. de Figueiredo
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 14, 2026, at 9:25 PM, William Robert Da Silva <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> It is my opinion that attempting an AI or any other online common model
> for writing Konkani first needs an understanding of Konkanni in at least
> four different scripts, not beginning in English. For example, the ergative
> of Konkanni, although used by all, a majority of speakers and writers are
> ignorant of its presence and shape. The transitive, intransitive and
> causative in Konkanni is not done properly. vochonk is written as
> vochunk, roddonk as roddunk. It is a zaunv form, it is not kor or koroi
> form, and its equivalent in English is: intransitive. But ti bori zali,
> zavunk. to boro zalo, tem borem zavunk. To uttlo, uttonk, not uttunk. Intr.
> in English but za in Konkanni. kor, korunk. koroi, koronvk. These forms in
> Romi are not uniformly used by all. There is immense variation, even in FN.
> I propose, first agree on a soroll form or common form of Konkanni. Don't
> go for bamonn (with Marathi-speaking and writing past elders) form of
> Konkanni. It is recent, most recent. But they do have a base Konkanni if
> they care for it: Chan'neache rati, maddache savllent etc. Goinchea
> mhojea... etc. Monglluranchea xarant ek cheddum dekilam, kazar
> mhojelaguim zata mhonnon tannem sangilam etc.
> There is a lot to explain, which I have worked out over thirty years of
> field research, but I did not come to put it down. The MSS were stolen at
> Alvas, Mudubidri and the Lexicon work of 1988-1991 was suppressed by the
> promoters. St Aloysius College. And its re-starting was suppressed again by
> SAC dtb U. There is a lot to report. Is it worth while? WRDS
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2026 at 1:31 AM John de Figueiredo <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Frederick, for this helpful information
>> John M. de Figueiredo
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2026, at 12:43 PM, Frederick Noronha <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Prof John and all,
>>
>> Google Translate handles Konkani *only **moderately well.* Its
>> performance varies widely depending on the dialect, script (Devanagari,
>> Roman, Kannada, Malayalam, Perso-Arabic), and sentence complexity. It
>> manages simple phrases and everyday communication. But it struggles with
>> literary or technical texts. Especially those involving regional idioms or
>> culturally specific expressions. It often produces awkward or inaccurate
>> results. This could be because of its relatively limited digital corpus for
>> Konkani compared to major languages. It’s a helpful starting tool, but not
>> fully reliable for precise or complex translation. At the moment, it is
>> focussed on Nagari (Devanagari) Konkani, though Romi abilities were also
>> promised in the past. See Meet the Goan American who Mangified Google
>> Translate in Konkani | Prudent Media Goa
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Mh0VcPD20
>>
>> <1.png>
>>
>>
>> Google Translate does not primarily “translate into Romi Konkani” as a
>> fully separate linguistic output; rather, what you often see at the bottom
>> (Roman script after Devanagari output) is usually generated through what
>> they're calling a *transliteration layer*. In simple terms, the system
>> first produces the Konkani meaning in Devanagari, and then applies a
>> rule-based + statistical mapping that converts those sounds into Latin
>> letters based on likely phonetic equivalents (for example, “क” → “ka”, “च”
>> → “cha”). This Roman output is therefore closer to a *phonetic rendering
>> of the Devanagari text* than a true native Romi Konkani orthography,
>> which has its own historical spelling conventions and variations. Because
>> of this, the Romi line can look inconsistent or “non-standard,” especially
>> with vowels, aspirated consonants, and regional pronunciation differences.
>>
>> This might make sense to those who are in the tech domain: AI translation
>> for Konkani—especially across *multiple scripts (Devanagari, Roman/Romi,
>> Kannada)*—is not a single “one-click” system working perfectly
>> end-to-end. Instead, most systems combine three components: (1) *neural
>> machine translation (NMT)* to convert meaning from source to target
>> language, (2) *script normalization*, and (3) *transliteration layers*
>> that map sounds into different writing systems.
>>
>> Techies keep calling Konkani a "*low-resource* (limited training data)"
>> data. I suspect much of the text produced over decades and even centuries
>> have not been scanned; and if they have been scanned in
>> government/taxpayer-funded projects, these have not been adequately shared
>> or utilised. Many digitisation projects have been announced in Goa since
>> even the 1980s and 1990s, but what's the outcome of this is not exactly
>> clear. Systems like Google Translate often rely on broader
>> Indian-language models and then approximate output, especially for Roman
>> script, which is usually generated via phonetic transliteration rather than
>> a native Konkani orthographic model.
>>
>> Current research-grade systems like *AI4Bharat’s IndicTrans2* (used in
>> academic and open-source Indic NLP work) are believed to outperform
>> commercial tools for many Indian languages, including Konkani. These have
>> trained specifically on multilingual Indic corpora and supposedly handle
>> script mapping more consistently. They might lack user interfaces that the
>> commercial tools have. Microsoft Translator and Google’s system are
>> blaming the limited training data and uneven coverage across scripts for
>> their lack of accuracy.
>>
>> Another interesting tool is Konkanverter.com. It works *quite well for
>> basic Romi transliteration*, especially when converting from Devanagari
>> or Kannada into Roman script in a consistent, rule-based way. Its strength
>> is that it follows a *standardised orthography model*, so outputs are
>> fairly predictable and useful for learners or documentation. It is however
>> still a *rule-based transliteration engine, not a dialect-aware AI
>> system. * So it does not truly “understand” spoken variation or regional
>> pronunciation differences.
>>
>> Konkanverter.com sometimes struggles with *dialectal variation and
>> ambiguity in *Goan sub-dialects (Bardez, Saxtti, Antruz) and Catholic vs
>> Hindu usage differences. Many Konkani words change pronunciation and vowel
>> quality across regions, but Konkanverter generally maps one standard form
>> rather than adapting to those shifts. It has been called a *clean script
>> converter, not a dialect-sensitive transliteration AI. I*t performs well
>> for formal text but only moderately for capturing real-world spoken
>> variation. I find it rendering Romi script better than others.
>> Please note: I am not a technical person, but have used both *Google
>> Translate* and *Konkanverter.com* a fair bit for my own purposes. Those
>> who are into this subject could correct the above.....
>>
>> FN
>>
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>> On Mon, 13 Apr 2026 at 09:08, John de Figueiredo <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Konkani is now one of the languages in Google Translate. Congratulations
>>> to those who made this possible. Looks like it is available in Devanagari
>>> only. I tested a few words and they were fine. With AI it should be easy to
>>> include other scripts.
>>> John M. de Figueiredo
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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