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-----Original Message----- From: Anon20x <anon...@proton.me> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2024 7:11 PM To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Help Please unsub me from the list, thankyou. On Monday, March 18th, 2024 at 8:47 AM, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org <gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org> wrote: > > > Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gnucash-user-ow...@gnucash.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. gnucash suggestions (J. A. Harris) > 2. Re: UNSUBCRIBE and Lemmy.World (Kalpesh Patel) 3. Re: gnucash > suggestions (Michael or Penny Novack) 4. Re: UNSUBCRIBE and > Lemmy.World (Michael or Penny Novack) 5. Re: gnucash suggestions (J. > A. Harris) 6. Re: gnucash suggestions (Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)) 7. > Re: Separating tax years for payments in next year (NoobAlice) 8. Re: > gnucash-user Digest, Vol 252, Issue 33 (Anon20x) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 12:15:28 -0400 > From: "J. A. Harris" prod...@harrisja.us > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: [GNC] gnucash suggestions > Message-ID: a1a89c31-e2f6-4c09-8433-55658ab15...@harrisja.us > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > I have been using gnucash for almost 10 years now.? I have downloaded > the source code and even made some changes to it that I consider > improvement.? There are other changes that I think would be a good > idea.? If this is not the place to share such comments, I apologize. > > 1. I use gnucash on a computer with a large screen,? I have a source > code modification that adds including the Assoc and Notes fields to > the single-line Basic Ledger view.? For me, those fields are too > important to require going double-line (which cuts in half the entries > in the window) and there is plenty of room on a desktop monitor to > accommodate the extra width needed. I think this would be a nice > option for many users. > 2. Add a new Generic and INC+EXP account.? No doubt this violates > basic accounting rules but for an amateur like me, it is useful to > have a single book in which I can separate sections like reserves, > retirement, and operating items.? Accounts of type Generic could have > sub-accounts of any type.? Accounts of type INC+EXP would act as an > Income account and as Expense account. For example, if there were a > mixture of Income and Expense accounts under a INC+EXP account, a > search in the tax system for Income accounts would find them and a > search for Expense accounts would find them.? As it stands now, that > top level account must be either Income or Expense and Income accounts > are not found if the top-level account is Expense and vice-versa. > (With an INC+EXP type, it would also permit restricting subaccounts > under Income to be just Income and under Expense just Expense.) 3. > Sorting occurs in many different places: in register displays, in > reports, in the listing of accounts in the transfer field, etc.? If > the natural sort organization for my accounts is by account code, I > find it confusing inconvenient when that is not the default sorting > used in reports, budgets, transfer menu, etc. > 4. Give the users the ability to create new "currencies".? There are a > number of occasions where I have assets which have a dollar value but > the accounting of that asset uses a different measure.? Some examples > include airline loyalty points, miles driven that have a tax deduction > value, etc. ? Doing this through FUND or NYSE does not work because > those things cannot be used in account types where Currencies can be > used. > > > -- > ---- > Dr. J. A. Harris > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 12:39:32 -0400 > From: "Kalpesh Patel" kalpesh.pa...@usa.net > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] UNSUBCRIBE and Lemmy.World > Message-ID: 000e01da7889$b0f5c380$12e14a80$@usa.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > If the e-mail client is configured via IMAP access to email server, then > whatever email is deleted on your client is also removed from your server so > you don't need to clean up multiple times... IMAP keeps "one" view for all of > the email clients that access those emails. > > My outlook client is configured to move messages to 'Deleted Item' and then > it is further configured to delete them permanently after 30 days. One rule > has multiple email addresses of all the sources which should go to 'Deleted > Items' automatically. > > Go to explore the capabilities of the tools to employ for various tasks... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael or Penny Novack stepbystepf...@comcast.net > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 7:41 PM > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] UNSUBCRIBE and Lemmy.World > > On 3/16/2024 5:40 PM, Ken Farley wrote: > > > Unsubscribing isn't done by the list, it's just posts of questions > > like yours. > > > > To unsubscribe, you need to go to: > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > To be honest, I don't allow the deluge of emails to come to me, > > either. Too many to have to sift through every day. > > > << not about gnucash -- but about this specific issue >> > > > If you are an EMAIL user (not WEBMAIL) then your email client (Outlook, > Thunderbird, etc.) almost certainly provides a facility for you to create > "message filter rules". You can then add a rule so that emails coming from a > particular source (say this email list) get moved to a dedicated folder > instead of appearing in your inbox). The only emails that show up in the > inbox here are ones for which I haven't written a rule. > > Then you either sift through them in this other folder or not depending on > whether you have time. Nor do they have to take up space in that folder > forever as you can specify retention policy for that folder. > > Webmail users --- I have no idea if whatever provider you are using offers > similar facilities. > > Michael D Novack > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:54:44 -0400 > From: Michael or Penny Novack stepbystepf...@comcast.net > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] gnucash suggestions > Message-ID: 5b5e6ef9-aeac-4b3e-a4a4-97fb8beac...@comcast.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 3/17/2024 12:15 PM, J. A. Harris wrote: > > > I have been using gnucash for almost 10 years now.? I have > > downloaded the source code and even made some changes to it that I > > consider improvement.? There are other changes that I think would be > > a good idea.? If this is not the place to share such comments, I apologize. > > > 2. Add a new Generic and INC+EXP account.? No doubt this violates > > basic ?? accounting rules but for an amateur like me, it is useful > > to have a ?? single book in which I can separate sections like > > reserves, ?? retirement, and operating items.? Accounts of type > > Generic could ?? have sub-accounts of any type. > > > Your lack of accounting and understanding of the history of double > entry is confusing you. You might think of BOTH types "income" and "expense" > as having a single generic type "temp equity" (not yet recorded > against > equity) with the ones with type "expense" just those "temp equity" > accounts whose balance is normally debit and the ones with type "income" > those whose balance is normally credit. Because it is usual to want > reports that group all income accounts together and all expense > accounts together our books tend to reflect that. But sometimes we > want to group a subset of income and a subset of expenses together > instead. Some of the organizations I kept books for did "events" and > so might want to group all associated with an event together. Not > hard, there is no magic in the names "income" and "expense". If the > balance is debit, it's and expense, if credit, an income. > > Thus for an event were EXPECTED to make a profit for the organization, > I'd make them all of type "income". Understand? Yes, what we pay to > rent the venue is an expense of the event, but we can still have an > account name "venue costs" of type INCOME a child of the account that > totals all income and expenses for that event. What makes the charges > (the transactions for) hall rent, chair rent, cleaning, etc. expense > is that they are debits to that account. > > > 4. Give the users the ability to create new "currencies".? There are > > a ?? number of occasions where I have assets which have a dollar > > value ?? but the accounting of that asset uses a different measure. > > > Those are "commodities" ----- "currency" means something is the legal > tender of some sovereign power. BUT --- there might be need to account > for some "local currency" which might not be exchangeable for legal > tender, and commodities are expected to have some money value. Note > that I am not talking about things of no value, just not a money value > (conversion might not be allowed/encouraged). Thus if I were dealing > with something like "Ithaca Dollars I might use gnucash to track my > balance, what I received or used them for, etc. in a separate set of books. > > More awkward, perhaps, assets which have value, possibly significant > value, but unclear/uncertain exactly how much. > > Michael D Novack > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 16:00:24 -0400 > From: Michael or Penny Novack stepbystepf...@comcast.net > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] UNSUBCRIBE and Lemmy.World > Message-ID: cd100369-17fd-49b0-a1c4-8d15bcb81...@comcast.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 3/17/2024 12:39 PM, Kalpesh Patel wrote: > > > If the e-mail client is configured via IMAP access to email server, then > > whatever email is deleted on your client is also removed from your server > > so you don't need to clean up multiple times... IMAP keeps "one" view for > > all of the email clients that access those emails. > > > Or with POP, when POPed. But I was being fussy because MY provider's > server isn't a trained seal. It will disregard that "delete" UNLESS I > configure my my account with them to not use THEIR default of "disobey" > that delete. In other words, besides configuring my email client to > "delete when POPed" I had to also have gone into my account with the > provider and made a change there also. > > Michael D Novack > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:36:29 -0400 > From: "J. A. Harris" prod...@harrisja.us > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] gnucash suggestions > Message-ID: 2707c5d4-8335-441d-9147-18e3dc38e...@harrisja.us > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 3/17/24 15:54, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > > > Your lack of accounting and understanding of the history of double > > entry is confusing you. ... > > .. > > > Thus for an event were EXPECTED to make a profit for the > > organization, I'd make them all of type "income". Understand? > > > Yes, I do understand.? The purpose of the INC+EXP would not be to put > entries in.? It would be a placeholder account, under which there > would be Revenue and Expense accounts.? I can think of many situations > where that would be desirable.? Here is one. HOAs frequently use "fund" > accounting where there is an "Operating Fund" and a "Reserve Fund".? > Each of those funds have Income and Expenses (along with other things).? > So you might see a structure like this. > > Top > ??? Operating > ??? ??? Assets ? > ??? ??? Equity ? > ??? ??? Income > ??? ??? ??? Expenses > ??? ??? ??? Revenue > ??? ??? Liabilities ? > ??? Reserve > ??? ??? Assets ? > ??? ??? Equity ? > ??? ??? Income > ??? ??? ??? Expenses > ??? ??? ??? Revenue > ??? ??? Liabilities ? > > In that type of situation, a General account type is useful for the > Operating and Reserve placeholder account and an Inc&Exp type is > useful for the accounts called Income. (Even if you do not want want > both Expenses and Revenues under the placeholder account named Income, > you still cannot put them under Reserve.) > > Are you saying you have never found an occasion where it would be > useful to have an upper-level account above a group of accounts, some > of which were Income and some were Expense? > > On 3/17/24 15:54, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > > > Those are "commodities" > > > I am aware of that.? Currencies, Funds, and NYSEs are all particular > types of Commodities. There is no current support in gnucash for > defining Commodities other than those three types. Since for things > like airline points, it seemed to me their operational characteristics > as they are used in gnucash are the same as Currencies, I thought it > would be easiest to implement them by adding support for them under > the existing Currency category.? If you prefer, the name could be > changed to Currencies & Other Things.? Or a fourth category could > created, although that would probably increase code complexity? But > all that is detail, which I did not feel needed to be addressed at this point. > > -- > ---- > Dr. J. A. Harris > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:08:42 -0700 > From: "Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)" stan...@fastmail.fm > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] gnucash suggestions > Message-ID: dbc45c7b-abea-42c0-a314-8ce3d9ac7...@fastmail.fm > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > It would seem more straightforward just to have separate books for the > two funds. > > That's pretty standard in UK government accounts, for instance: > Capital Account and Revenue Account. (That's if we can believe /Yes, > Minister/, but Margaret Thatcher called it "the best documentary the > BBC ever made".) > > Stan Brown > Tehachapi, CA, USA > https://BrownMath.com/ > > On 2024-03-17 14:36, J. A. Harris wrote: > > > On 3/17/24 15:54, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > > > > > Your lack of accounting and understanding of the history of double > > > entry is confusing you. ... > > > .. > > > Thus for an event were EXPECTED to make a profit for the > > > organization, I'd make them all of type "income". Understand? > > > > Yes, I do understand.? The purpose of the INC+EXP would not be to > > put entries in.? It would be a placeholder account, under which > > there would be Revenue and Expense accounts.? I can think of many > > situations where that would be desirable.? Here is one. HOAs frequently use > > "fund" > > accounting where there is an "Operating Fund" and a "Reserve Fund".? > > Each of those funds have Income and Expenses (along with other things).? > > So you might see a structure like this. > > > > ?? Top > > ?? ??? Operating > > ?? ??? ??? Assets ? > > ?? ??? ??? Equity ? > > ?? ??? ??? Income > > ?? ??? ??? ??? Expenses > > ?? ??? ??? ??? Revenue > > ?? ??? ??? Liabilities ? > > ?? ??? Reserve > > ??? ??? ??? Assets ? > > ??? ??? ??? Equity ? > > ??? ??? ??? Income > > ??? ??? ??? ??? Expenses > > ??? ??? ??? ??? Revenue > > ??? ??? ??? Liabilities ? > > > > In that type of situation, a General account type is useful for the > > Operating and Reserve placeholder account and an Inc&Exp type is > > useful for the accounts called Income. (Even if you do not want want > > both Expenses and Revenues under the placeholder account named > > Income, you still cannot put them under Reserve.) > > > > Are you saying you have never found an occasion where it would be > > useful to have an upper-level account above a group of accounts, > > some of which were Income and some were Expense? > > > > On 3/17/24 15:54, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > > > > > Those are "commodities" > > > > I am aware of that.? Currencies, Funds, and NYSEs are all particular > > types of Commodities. There is no current support in gnucash for > > defining Commodities other than those three types. Since for things > > like airline points, it seemed to me their operational > > characteristics as they are used in gnucash are the same as > > Currencies, I thought it would be easiest to implement them by > > adding support for them under the existing Currency category.? If > > you prefer, the name could be changed to Currencies & Other Things.? > > Or a fourth category could created, although that would probably > > increase code complexity? But all that is detail, which I did not feel > > needed to be addressed at this point. > > > > -- > > ---- > > Dr. J. A. Harris > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 18:45:41 -0400 > From: NoobAlice noobal...@airmail.cc > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Separating tax years for payments in next year > Message-ID: bf10abaf-327a-41c8-8ca2-d5eb643f0...@airmail.cc > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > I just start my description "2023 Q1 fed estimate" or similar in my > tax payable account. If you do that, you can use a filter for reports. > > Also, since I use a liability account, I can reconcile it after filing. > Then you can filter the account itself for unreconciled transactions, > which will then just show 2024 estimates. > > On 2024-03-08 04:54 PM, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user wrote: > > > I recently created ExpenseAccounts/Taxes/FederalEven and > > ExpenseAccounts/Taxes/FederalOdd to allow me to get a meaningful report on > > estimated tax and various tax withholding.? The payments in Jan 2024 for > > 2023 estimated and later for 2-23 tax due do not clutter the reports on > > 2024 tax year, and the 2022 items do not get into the 2023 report.? Is > > there a better way to deal with this? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:47:15 +0000 > From: Anon20x anon...@proton.me > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 252, Issue 33 > Message-ID: > tDX5hVcsu9_MtBeSDTNiX0671podLTSTsLDq5ZdJCCoNv24gXxH_uXA5c0U1QeTs6r-uL6 > RCJnZRe_5qVi8UD1PkrQmYuLJdxPuAonF9N5I=@proton.me > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi, > > Will you please unsub me from the mailing list, thankyou! > > > > > On Monday, March 18th, 2024 at 2:00 AM, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org > gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org wrote: > > > Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > gnucash-user-ow...@gnucash.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: How to import MT940 and/or online banking missing in 5.5 > > (Frank H. Ellenberger) 2. UNSUBCRIBE and Lemmy.World > > (lists.gnucash.org.quantum...@passmail.net) > > 3. Re: UNSUBCRIBE and Lemmy.World (Ken Farley) 4. Re: UNSUBCRIBE and > > Lemmy.World (Michael or Penny Novack) 5. Re: 5.5-1 crashing on macOS > > 14.3 (Mike Alexander) 6. Re: UNSUBCRIBE and Lemmy.World (Ken Farley) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 17:00:11 +0100 > > From: "Frank H. Ellenberger" frank.h.ellenber...@gmail.com > > > > To: john jra...@ceridwen.us, An Ku proof...@gmail.com > > > > Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] How to import MT940 and/or online banking missing > > in 5.5 > > Message-ID: 2453b79d-5d8f-44f2-b66b-7491ac58a...@gmail.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > I suspect, Andr? is aWindows user and needs to upgrade to 5.5-1: > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash > > (stable)/5.5/gnucash-5.5-1.setup.exe > > > > Regards > > Frank > > > > Am 16.03.24 um 08:07 schrieb john: > > > > > MT940 and CAMT.053 imports are done with File>Import>Import Using > > > AQBanking. Note that CAMT.053 is under XML, not CAMT in the import > > > selector. > > > > > > Regards, > > > John Ralls > > > > > > > On Mar 14, 2024, at 13:44, An Ku proof...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, my bank's CSV export is useless as it does not > > > > state recipients or any useful information of transactions apart > > > > from the amount and date/time of execution. They do however > > > > provide the option to download > > > > MT940 as well as camt.053 (apart form PDFs). I understand there > > > > used to be an option to import MT940 transactions through an > > > > online banking module, but I cannot find it anywhere in the UI (I'm > > > > using windows and am on v5.5). > > > > I found references to an external online banking package but no > > > > how to make it run on a windows machine. > > > > > > > > I'd appreciate any help on: > > > > > > > > - Importing an MT940 file directly > > > > - Importing an camt.053 file directly > > > > - Converting either MT940 or camt.053 files to CSV > > > > > > > > Thank you and kind regards, > > > > Andr? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > ----- > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:35:37 +0000 > > From: lists.gnucash.org.quantum...@passmail.net > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > Subject: [GNC] UNSUBCRIBE and Lemmy.World > > Message-ID: > > 171061775343.8.2420981101855662130.287866...@passmail.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Will you please unsub me from the emails, it's too much! Also I've tried > > multiple times using the unsub button in the email and it apparently > > doesn't work. > > > > I thoroughly appreciate your time and commitment to GNU Cash and the > > community and I recommend a lemmy.world community (an independent kind of > > reddit) too much gets lost for those who can't simply search the post > > history. > > > > On Sunday, March 17th, 2024 at 2:00 AM, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org > > gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org wrote: > > > > > Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > gnucash-user-ow...@gnucash.org > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > > > specific than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. How to import MT940 and/or online banking missing in 5.5 (An > > > Ku) 2. Re: Bill total does not match real total (Alan Johnson) 3. > > > Re: How to import MT940 and/or online banking missing in 5.5 > > > (john) > > > 4. Re: How to import MT940 and/or online banking missing in 5.5 > > > (Gyle McCollam) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 13:44:04 +0100 > > > From: An Ku proof...@gmail.com > > > > > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > Subject: [GNC] How to import MT940 and/or online banking missing > > > in > > > 5.5 > > > Message-ID: > > > CAFHnGB9XGxZv-6mN5Toak9keiNwUHY=gofocrlk8ioy3v-d...@mail.gmail.com > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > > > Dear all > > > > > > Unfortunately, my bank's CSV export is useless as it does not > > > state recipients or any useful information of transactions apart > > > from the amount and date/time of execution. They do however > > > provide the option to download > > > MT940 as well as camt.053 (apart form PDFs). I understand there > > > used to be an option to import MT940 transactions through an > > > online banking module, but I cannot find it anywhere in the UI (I'm using > > > windows and am on v5.5). > > > I found references to an external online banking package but no > > > how to make it run on a windows machine. > > > > > > I'd appreciate any help on: > > > > > > - Importing an MT940 file directly > > > - Importing an camt.053 file directly > > > - Converting either MT940 or camt.053 files to CSV > > > > > > Thank you and kind regards, > > > Andr? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 22:33:29 -0400 > > > From: Alan Johnson a...@argentwolf.org > > > > > > To: adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net, gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Bill total does not match real total > > > Message-ID: > > > 51bd6de630d64f56859e78705a1de99191b9c3a5.ca...@argentwolf.org > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > I looked at the trial. The core they offer has a number of modules > > > you can use for free/self hosted/open source. ?The accounting > > > packages require a subscription/paid service. ? > > > > > > On Mon, 2024-03-11 at 11:56 -0500, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not sure if it is still entirely open source, but it started > > > > that way. I think they've added on features that are closed. > > > > (some may simply be built with Odoo itself) The base package is > > > > still available as far as I'm aware, and it is pretty powerful, > > > > but likely overkill for most small businesses. They also don't > > > > make it easy to build it and get up and running, preferring to > > > > 'guide' you to their paid support offerings. > > > > > > > > Odoo is more of a tool to build an app, rather than a business > > > > app itself. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Adrien > > > > > > > > On 3/11/24 10:33 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well ... if it is really "open software" they would have to > > > > > make the source code available for free (technically can > > > > > charge reasonable cost for a copy on medium -- the 'rule" was > > > > > made before we got things by download). The "open software" > > > > > rules do NOT forbid charging for providing executables, > > > > > support, etc. The originally concept was that nobody could > > > > > charge excessively for that or somebody else would step in and > > > > > provide at a more reasonable price. Yes, I am old enough to > > > > > have followed the original "open software" discussions real > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > ----- > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > scrubbed... > > > Name: smime.p7s > > > Type: application/pkcs7-signature > > > Size: 5197 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/attachments/202403 > > > 15/270097c8/attachment-0001.p7s > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:07:00 +0100 > > > From: john jra...@ceridwen.us > > > > > > To: An Ku proof...@gmail.com > > > > > > Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] How to import MT940 and/or online banking > > > missing in 5.5 > > > Message-ID: 2459a8ee-391e-4b09-998a-47bd9213f...@ceridwen.us > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > > > MT940 and CAMT.053 imports are done with File>Import>Import Using > > > AQBanking. Note that CAMT.053 is under XML, not CAMT in the import > > > selector. > > > > > > Regards, > > > John Ralls > > > > > > > On Mar 14, 2024, at 13:44, An Ku proof...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, my bank's CSV export is useless as it does not > > > > state recipients or any useful information of transactions apart > > > > from the amount and date/time of execution. They do however > > > > provide the option to download > > > > MT940 as well as camt.053 (apart form PDFs). I understand there > > > > used to be an option to import MT940 transactions through an > > > > online banking module, but I cannot find it anywhere in the UI (I'm > > > > using windows and am on v5.5). > > > > I found references to an external online banking package but no > > > > how to make it run on a windows machine. > > > > > > > > I'd appreciate any help on: > > > > > > > > - Importing an MT940 file directly > > > > - Importing an camt.053 file directly > > > > - Converting either MT940 or camt.053 files to CSV > > > > > > > > Thank you and kind regards, > > > > Andr? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > ----- > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 4 > > > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:26:05 +0000 > > > From: Gyle McCollam gmccol...@live.com > > > > > > To: john jra...@ceridwen.us, An Ku proof...@gmail.com > > > > > > Cc: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] How to import MT940 and/or online banking > > > missing in 5.5 > > > Message-ID: > > > CY4PR1001MB21998B83F9848AC2FEDBAB74CA2F2@CY4PR1001MB2199.namprd10. > > > prod.outlook.com > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Just a reminder that "File>Import>Import Using AQBanking" is not > > > an option on the menu for Windows Build ID: 5.5+(2023-12-16) > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Gyle McCollam > > > > > > Gyle McCollam > > > > > > gmccollam@live.commailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com email > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: gnucash-user > > > gnucash-user-bounces+gylemc=gmail....@gnucash.org on behalf of > > > john jra...@ceridwen.us > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 3:07 AM > > > To: An Ku proof...@gmail.com > > > > > > Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] How to import MT940 and/or online banking > > > missing in 5.5 > > > > > > MT940 and CAMT.053 imports are done with File>Import>Import Using > > > AQBanking. Note that CAMT.053 is under XML, not CAMT in the import > > > selector. > > > > > > Regards, > > > John Ralls > > > > > > > On Mar 14, 2024, at 13:44, An Ku proof...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, my bank's CSV export is useless as it does not > > > > state recipients or any useful information of transactions apart > > > > from the amount and date/time of execution. They do however > > > > provide the option to download > > > > MT940 as well as camt.053 (apart form PDFs). I understand there > > > > used to be an option to import MT940 transactions through an > > > > online banking module, but I cannot find it anywhere in the UI (I'm > > > > using windows and am on v5.5). > > > > I found references to an external online banking package but no > > > > how to make it run on a windows machine. > > > > > > > > I'd appreciate any help on: > > > > > > > > - Importing an MT940 file directly > > > > - Importing an camt.053 file directly > > > > - Converting either MT940 or camt.053 files to CSV > > > > > > > > Thank you and kind regards, > > > > Andr? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > ----- > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 252, Issue 32 > > > ********************************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 17:40:04 -0400 > > From: Ken Farley farle...@gmail.com > > > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] UNSUBCRIBE and Lemmy.World > > Message-ID: 8347e821-c582-42a8-9f43-c23a58856...@gmail.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > Unsubscribing isn't done by the list, it's just posts of questions > > like yours. > > > > To unsubscribe, you need to go to: > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > To be honest, I don't allow the deluge of emails to come to me, either. > > Too many to have to sift through every day. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:40:50 -0400 > > From: Michael or Penny Novack stepbystepf...@comcast.net > > > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] UNSUBCRIBE and Lemmy.World > > Message-ID: dd3c457d-11b0-4014-bed2-b1c71cd68...@comcast.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > On 3/16/2024 5:40 PM, Ken Farley wrote: > > > > > Unsubscribing isn't done by the list, it's just posts of questions > > > like yours. > > > > > > To unsubscribe, you need to go to: > > > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > > > To be honest, I don't allow the deluge of emails to come to me, > > > either. Too many to have to sift through every day. > > > > << not about gnucash -- but about this specific issue >> > > > > If you are an EMAIL user (not WEBMAIL) then your email client > > (Outlook, Thunderbird, etc.) almost certainly provides a facility > > for you to create "message filter rules". You can then add a rule so > > that emails coming from a particular source (say this email list) > > get moved to a dedicated folder instead of appearing in your inbox). > > The only emails that show up in the inbox here are ones for which I haven't > > written a rule. > > > > Then you either sift through them in this other folder or not > > depending on whether you have time. Nor do they have to take up > > space in that folder forever as you can specify retention policy for that > > folder. > > > > Webmail users --- I have no idea if whatever provider you are using > > offers similar facilities. > > > > Michael D Novack > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:17:57 -0400 > > From: Mike Alexander m...@umich.edu > > > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] 5.5-1 crashing on macOS 14.3 > > Message-ID: ccd31bed-ba4a-4ba8-9c58-0c6f88990...@umich.edu > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; > > markup=markdown > > > > Sorry for the late reply, I didn't see this because of the subject > > change. > > > > The bug in F9nance::Quote has been fixed. I don't know if the fix is > > in a version that has been released, but if not it will be in the next one. > > > > Mike > > > > On 9 Mar 2024, at 10:06, john wrote: > > > > > Good that you've gotten it working. Maybe open an issue at > > > https://github.com/finance-quote/finance-quote/issues about > > > YahooWeb.pm not setting the right error code when it fails to get > > > a quote. > > > > > > And please, in the future, start a new thread or at least change > > > the subject when you digress like that. This one was supposed to > > > be about a hard crash of GnuCash itself. > > > > > > Regards, > > > John Ralls > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 2024, at 23:30, Tom Teixeira tjteixe...@earthlink.net > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I did end up making time to investigate today, and the problem > > > > ended up being just one fund that no longer works with YahooWeb. > > > > This particular fund is a "stable value" fund so checking the > > > > value is somewhat superfluous. As it turns out, it does with > > > > with AlphaVantage. > > > > > > > > Again, thanks to David Reiser for the information to explicitly > > > > specify x86_64 architecture when running on Apple silicon. > > > > > > > > On 3/8/24 3:25 PM, Tom Teixeira wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the suggestion. I won't have time today to > > > > > investigate, but will do some targeted debugging, either by > > > > > removing stocks from my list to update, or by creating a new > > > > > Gnucash file with only one stock. > > > > > > > > > > On 3/8/24 2:51 PM, David Reiser wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We are now into my mental weeds as far as real knowledge > > > > > > goes, but I have had some success at thrashing around to fix > > > > > > self-induced perl challenges. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the error happens on both architectures, that suggests > > > > > > something is missing. I think YahooWeb is relatively recent > > > > > > in the F::Q realm. And F::Q hasn?t managed dependency > > > > > > declarations as well as I?d like. > > > > > > > > > > > > The error complains about a ?row method?. YahooWeb uses > > > > > > HTML::TableExtract which might be the source of the row > > > > > > information. Try installing the appropriate arch version of > > > > > > HTML::TableExtract on each machine and see if that works. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Dave Reiser > > > > > > dbrei...@icloud.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 2024, at 1:03?PM, Tom Teixeira > > > > > > > tjteixe...@earthlink.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spoke too soon: while getting an individual quote with > > > > > > > gnucash-cli works: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /Applications/Gnucash-5.5.app/Contents/MacOS/gnucash-cli > > > > > > > --quotes dump yahooweb MSFT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Application Path > > > > > > > /Applications/Gnucash-5.5.app/Contents/MacOS/gnucash-cli > > > > > > > Finance::Quote fields GnuCash uses: > > > > > > > symbol: MSFT <=== required > > > > > > > date: 03/08/2024 <=== recommended > > > > > > > currency: USD <=== required > > > > > > > last: 407.16 <=\ > > > > > > > nav: <=== one of these > > > > > > > price: <=/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to "Get Quotes" in my "Price Database" does not. I > > > > > > > get a dialog box with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Price retrieval failed: Unrecognized Finance::Quote Error: > > > > > > > Can't call method "rows" on an undefined value at > > > > > > > /Library/Perl/5.34/Finance/Quote/YahooWeb.pm line 101. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have another, Intel-based Mac. After upgrading this to > > > > > > > Sonoma > > > > > > > 14.4 release version, and re-installing Finance::Quote, it > > > > > > > gets the same error. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > > ----- > > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > ----- > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:48:27 -0400 > > From: Ken Farley farle...@gmail.com > > > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] UNSUBCRIBE and Lemmy.World > > Message-ID: f5a56aba-ebca-458b-b357-d2a89b69d...@gmail.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > Nah. Filters that store all that stuff are for things I need to look at. > > I find it much more efficient to go to: > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user > > > > and browse through the messages to see the very small percentage of > > them I'm interested in. That way I don't have to delete a pile of > > unwanted stuff, on my computer and also on my e-mail provider's site. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 252, Issue 33 > > ********************************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 252, Issue 34 > ********************************************* _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. 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