Vincent, Thanks both for the explanation (which opened my eyes too), and for volunteering to get it into the Wiki.
Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com On 2023-07-01 10:17, Vincent Dawans wrote: > Pierre: > > Your description and Gyle's pointed answer are quite eye-opening to me. > Possibly there is a confusion with some users as to how the new > autocomplete list works vs the old way where the autocomplete was added at > the level of the cursor. > > Just as it was before, the list opening in the new way doesn't mean you > have to interact with it, just as the autocompletion in the old way didn't > mean you had to interact with it. If the autocomplete is "wrong", simply > ignore it and keep typing; as Gyle says you are not expected to do anything > in the list. In that sense the new way should be better because at least > what you type in the text box is physically separated from the automatch in > the list. Keep typing and as soon you see the correct entry selected in the > list press tab, just as it was before. > > Now it is true that there are differences with the old way in what is > matched first, and that created a lot of headaches in the earlier 5.x > versions because some very old transactions would match first, hence the > first match was often not really useful. But version 5.3 really reduced > that vs earlier 5.x versions. You might at times still find that the new > autocomplete picks the wrong match for your use case after one or two > characters, but then most likely it's the right match for other users and > the old one gave the wrong match for them. So that's just a matter of > tweaking what matches first, and it's impossible to get it right 100% of > the time for all users. But surely it cannot be wrong 100% of the time > either with the latest tweaks. More tweaking could still be done there, but > it requires users to give specific examples of why they think a match was > wrong so we can learn from these wrong matches. > > In that regard the new way at least has one advantage over the old one. If > I recall correctly, the old one gave you only one main match and you had to > keep typing until the correct match would show up (I can't recall if you > could use up/down arrows or not). With the new autocomplete list, you can > also **if you want** take a shortcut and select another entry in the list > with either the keyboard (up or down arrow) or mouse (click). I insist on > **if you want**; it's a shortcut if it's useful to you, you don't have to > use it. You can also keep typing until the match you want is highlighted, > as in the old way. > > Finally there is the matter of CANCELLING the final match, meaning wanting > to enter something new that is not existing, yet a wrong match still occurs > when you are done typing. Just pressing tab in that case will match > whatever is highlighted, so that's no good. This was already the case in > the old way, although less often since the match was LESS permissive. In > the old interface, the way to get out of a match with the keyboard was to > press BACKSPACE before tabbing out. In the new interface, you have more > ways to achieve that. With keyboard only, you can press ESCAPE before > tabbing out or you can select (up arrow) "Do not autocomplete" in the list; > with mouse you can still click out or select "Do not autocomplete" in the > list. The first way with ESCAPE is just as fast as it was before, just a > different keyboard press. > > Bottom line is that YES this explanation should go in the FAQ or wiki or > doc, etc. I'll try to possibly make a wiki page showing how to work with > autocomplete. More documentation is always nice and it would be nice if > more users would be willing to help with that. > > Sincerely, > > Vincent Dawans > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 9:33 AM Gyle McCollam <gmccol...@live.com> wrote: > >> Pierre, >> you stated you have to: >> new method: >> +|-. TAB, TAB, p(long list with "Don't Autocomplete" at top, >> up-arrow, ENTER, pr(still long list with "Don't Autocomplete" at top, >> up-arrow, ENTER, pre(still long list with "Don't Autocomplete" at top, >> arrows or mouse actions once enough characters have been entered to >> reduce the list where last month's transaction is now visible, etc... >> >> I don't understand why you need to up arrow after each character. You can >> type "p", then "r", then "e" just like you used to do. You can type as many >> letters as you need without selecting "Don't Autocomplete" which is what >> you seem to be saying. >> >> >> >> Thank You, >> >> Gyle McCollam >> >> Gyle McCollam >> >> gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com> email >> >> ________________________________ >> From: gnucash-user <gnucash-user-bounces+gylemc=gmail....@gnucash.org> on >> behalf of Pierre Fortin <p...@pfortin.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2023 12:11 PM >> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org <gnucash-user@gnucash.org> >> Subject: Re: [GNC] How to revert to previous input mode? >> >> On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 11:40:38 -0400 Pierre Fortin wrote: >> >> resetting this thread to restate since GNC was updated from 5.1 to 5.3 a >> few days ago.... >> >>> GnuCash 5.3 >>> Build ID: 5.3+(2023-06-26) >> >>>> Operating System: Mageia 9 >>>> KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.5 >>>> KDE Frameworks Version: 5.105.0 >>>> Qt Version: 5.15.7 >>>> Kernel Version: 6.3.9-server-2.mga9 (64-bit) >>>> Graphics Platform: X11 >>>> Processors: 20 × 12th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-12700K >>>> Memory: 125.5 GiB of RAM >>>> Graphics Processor: AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT >>>> Manufacturer: Dell Inc. >>>> Product Name: XPS 8950 >> >> >>>>> There's been a whole lot of turmoil and change in this area over the >> last few months, the upshot of which is that autofill has changed a lot >> between 5.2 and 5.3. 5.4, which should be releasing soon (to fix another >> serious bug) might address your concerns. >>>>> >>>>> David T. >> >> I really don't like the new input mechanism. It results is much extra >> interaction: >> >> old method to enter a monthly recurring transaction: >> +|- to change date, TAB, TAB, p[revious tansaction], TAB, ENTER (done) >> >> new method: >> +|-. TAB, TAB, p(long list with "Don't Autocomplete" at top, >> up-arrow, ENTER, pr(still long list with "Don't Autocomplete" at top, >> up-arrow, ENTER, pre(still long list with "Don't Autocomplete" at top, >> arrows or mouse actions once enough characters have been entered to >> reduce the list where last month's transaction is now visible, etc... >> >> With LOTS of one-of entries since 2006, the new method is less than >> friendly. I can appreciate that it may work for some [new] GNC users; but >> the original method is much better/faster for long term users users with a >> huge history of entries. Besides, typical use is to process mostly the >> same transactions month to month where the old method excelled... >> >> Given an option, I would select the old method as it was MUCH faster. >> >> Thanks, >> Pierre >> >>>>> On Jul 1, 2023, 16:33, at 16:33, Pierre Fortin <p...@pfortin.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Having used gnucash for many years, I've been quite happy with all my >>>>>> built-in history where most new entries could be done in a minimum of >>>>>> keystrokes. >>>>>> >>>>>> The new interface where it offers all(?) the possible choices is >>>>>> driving >>>>>> my nuts. This change has slowed down data and entry wasting time... >>>>>> In my late 70s; this matters! >>>>>> >>>>>> This morning, trying to enter "Pens", it insists on picking "Camper >>>>>> expenses" unless I grab the mouse and click where TAB was all I >>>>>> needed. >>>>>> ^^^^ >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a way to revert back to the previous interface? This should >>>>>> be >>>>>> a choice in settings. Maybe it's there; but I haven't found it... >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for an otherwise great program, >>>>>> Pierre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. 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