No Jim. I copied my files on my Mac to an external FAT32 (I think it is called) drive and opened it in Linux.
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, at 4:52 PM, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org wrote: > Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gnucash-user-ow...@gnucash.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Moving to Linux (John Ralls) > 2. Re: Strange message on launching app (John Ralls) > 3. Re: Moving to Linux (Stephen C. Camidge) > 4. Re: Moving to Linux (Stephen C. Camidge) > 5. Re: Moving to Linux (David H) > 6. Re: Moving to Linux (Stephen C. Camidge) > 7. Re: Moving to Linux (D.) > 8. Re: Moving to Linux (Alan Hopkins) > 9. Re: Moving to Linux (David H) > 10. Re: Moving to Linux (Jim DeLaHunt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:29:10 -0800 > From: John Ralls <jra...@ceridwen.us> > To: "Stephen C. Camidge" <scami...@fastmail.fm> > Cc: GNUCASH devel <gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Moving to Linux > Message-ID: <156da4c6-8a4e-4ccc-8909-05f9997ea...@ceridwen.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > On Mar 13, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > > wrote: > > > > I am moving my data from Mac OS to Linux Manjaro. > > > > I copied over the datafile, no problem. > > > > How do I copy over my Saved Reports? > > > > Also, since the Mac creates invisible '._*' files for each datafile, is > > there a Linux terminal command I can issue to get rid of all of them? > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup#Related_Files > > I've never encountered ._* files, but you can get rid of them all with > `find path -name ._* -delete`, substituting the actual path you wand to > search for path. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:47:54 -0800 > From: John Ralls <jra...@ceridwen.us> > To: Mahon Finbar <mahon.fin...@neuf.fr> > Cc: Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Strange message on launching app > Message-ID: <986dd69e-e6d7-417e-bc93-3a2301bf3...@ceridwen.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The important thing is to make sure that you don't restore an old > version of GnuCash dlls. The most straightforward way is to leave > executables out of the backup plan because you can always download them > again from their respective sources. A bit less simple is to have a > separate backup set for them so that you can easily roll back after an > update or restore more quickly after a disk failure. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > > > On Mar 13, 2021, at 6:06 AM, Mahon Finbar <mahon.fin...@neuf.fr> wrote: > > > > OK, I'll try that, thanks. > > > > I have the most recent version for Windows 10, afaik. Haven't recently > > downloaded any update and have been using the current version for a while, > > like since last q 2020. Could be a storage glitch, I suppose. > > > > Should I make a specific backup? I have backblaze for backup, but do I need > > to ensure files are the latest? > > > > Finbar > > > > On 12/03/2021 21:08, John Ralls wrote: > >> You don't say what version of GnuCash, but GnuCash 4.x renamed > >> libgncmod-app-utils.dll to libgnc-app-utils.dll, so it seems that you have > >> some leftover bits from an earlier installation. Try uninstalling GnuCash > >> with Apps & Settings then delete the installation directory--it defaults > >> to C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash--before reinstalling GnuCash 4.4. > >> > >> Regards, > >> John Ralls > >> > >> > >>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 3:20 AM, Mahon Finbar <mahon.fin...@neuf.fr> wrote: > >>> > >>> Oops the screen grab didn't transfer - > >>> > >>> "the procedure entry point gmc_scm_call_1_symbol_to_string could not be > >>> located in the dll C:\programfiles(x86)\gnucash\libgncmod-app-utils.dll" > >>> > >>> On 12/03/2021 10:52, Mahon Finbar wrote: > >>>> Sorry, sent this with the wrong email address. > >>>> > >>>> A Windows message? Using W10, no recent change with Gnucash. > >>>> > >>>> Needs task manager to get rid of the message. > >>>> > >>>> Finbar > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org > >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>> ----- > >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org > >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>> ----- > >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:09:49 -0500 > From: "Stephen C. Camidge" <scami...@fastmail.fm> > To: "John Ralls" <jra...@ceridwen.us> > Cc: "GNUCASH devel" <gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Moving to Linux > Message-ID: <51b2e488-1e51-47e6-b0e8-00b725ea2...@www.fastmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Thank you very much. I will give the prefs a try! > > Rather than actual path I would like to do the whole drive (remove all > files that begin with '._*') > > Steve > > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, at 1:29 PM, John Ralls wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > > > wrote: > > > > > > I am moving my data from Mac OS to Linux Manjaro. > > > > > > I copied over the datafile, no problem. > > > > > > How do I copy over my Saved Reports? > > > > > > Also, since the Mac creates invisible '._*' files for each datafile, is > > > there a Linux terminal command I can issue to get rid of all of them? > > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup#Related_Files > > > > I've never encountered ._* files, but you can get rid of them all with > > `find path -name ._* -delete`, substituting the actual path you wand to > > search for path. > > > > Regards, > > John Ralls > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:42:38 -0500 > From: "Stephen C. Camidge" <scami...@fastmail.fm> > To: "John Ralls" <jra...@ceridwen.us> > Cc: "GNUCASH devel" <gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Moving to Linux > Message-ID: <06108d44-88d5-4f5f-9ebb-87430bb81...@www.fastmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > I assumed that > > General Configuration data > Gnucash 3.0 and newer: The contents of GNC_DATA_HOME and GNC_CONFIG_HOME. > > Linux: HOME/.gnucash - most of your preferences, adjusted report > settings, column withs, window positions, etc. > > means that in HOME, I should find a directory called .gnucash but I do > not see one? > > > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, at 1:29 PM, John Ralls wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > > > wrote: > > > > > > I am moving my data from Mac OS to Linux Manjaro. > > > > > > I copied over the datafile, no problem. > > > > > > How do I copy over my Saved Reports? > > > > > > Also, since the Mac creates invisible '._*' files for each datafile, is > > > there a Linux terminal command I can issue to get rid of all of them? > > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup#Related_Files > > > > I've never encountered ._* files, but you can get rid of them all with > > `find path -name ._* -delete`, substituting the actual path you wand to > > search for path. > > > > Regards, > > John Ralls > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 07:05:51 +1000 > From: David H <hell...@gmail.com> > To: "Stephen C. Camidge" <scami...@fastmail.fm> > Cc: John Ralls <jra...@ceridwen.us>, GNUCASH devel > <gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Moving to Linux > Message-ID: > <ca+5xqdqd4ncdd0iqctpjo5gs2mhfceysx1rqgf9p8gwcnnm...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Have you turned "Show Hidden files" on ??? > > Cheers David H. > > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 05:43, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > wrote: > > > I assumed that > > > > General Configuration data > > Gnucash 3.0 and newer: The contents of GNC_DATA_HOME and GNC_CONFIG_HOME. > > > > Linux: HOME/.gnucash - most of your preferences, adjusted report settings, > > column withs, window positions, etc. > > > > means that in HOME, I should find a directory called .gnucash but I do not > > see one? > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, at 1:29 PM, John Ralls wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am moving my data from Mac OS to Linux Manjaro. > > > > > > > > I copied over the datafile, no problem. > > > > > > > > How do I copy over my Saved Reports? > > > > > > > > Also, since the Mac creates invisible '._*' files for each datafile, > > is there a Linux terminal command I can issue to get rid of all of them? > > > > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup#Related_Files > > > > > > I've never encountered ._* files, but you can get rid of them all with > > > `find path -name ._* -delete`, substituting the actual path you wand to > > > search for path. > > > > > > Regards, > > > John Ralls > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 16:10:12 -0500 > From: "Stephen C. Camidge" <scami...@fastmail.fm> > To: "David H" <hell...@gmail.com> > Cc: "John Ralls" <jra...@ceridwen.us>, "GNUCASH devel" > <gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Moving to Linux > Message-ID: <3d118d3f-f8fc-4630-b3e8-cfb3298d9...@www.fastmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > yes > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, at 4:05 PM, David H wrote: > > Have you turned "Show Hidden files" on ??? > > > > Cheers David H. > > > > > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 05:43, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > > wrote: > >> I assumed that > >> > >> General Configuration data > >> Gnucash 3.0 and newer: The contents of GNC_DATA_HOME and GNC_CONFIG_HOME. > >> > >> Linux: HOME/.gnucash - most of your preferences, adjusted report settings, > >> column withs, window positions, etc. > >> > >> means that in HOME, I should find a directory called .gnucash but I do not > >> see one? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, at 1:29 PM, John Ralls wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mar 13, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I am moving my data from Mac OS to Linux Manjaro. > >> > > > >> > > I copied over the datafile, no problem. > >> > > > >> > > How do I copy over my Saved Reports? > >> > > > >> > > Also, since the Mac creates invisible '._*' files for each datafile, > >> > > is there a Linux terminal command I can issue to get rid of all of > >> > > them? > >> > > >> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup#Related_Files > >> > > >> > I've never encountered ._* files, but you can get rid of them all with > >> > `find path -name ._* -delete`, substituting the actual path you wand to > >> > search for path. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > John Ralls > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 16:32:09 -0500 > From: "D." <sunfis...@yahoo.com> > To: "Stephen C. Camidge" <scami...@fastmail.fm> > Cc: David H <hell...@gmail.com>, "D. via gnucash-user" > <gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Moving to Linux > Message-ID: <1a12e80e-e4f3-42e7-a6dc-da78e0d0e...@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > When I look at > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations#GNC_DATA_HOME, I > think it says for Linux, GNC_DATA_HOME is USER_DATA_HOME/gnucash, and > USER_DATA_HOME is $HOME/.local/share, so that should turn into > $HOME/.local/share/gnucash > > A similar look at GNC_CONFIG_HOME yields $HOME/.config/gnucash > > At least, that's how I interpret that page. I've been spectacularly > wrong before, though. > > David > > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Stephen C. Camidge" <scami...@fastmail.fm> > Sent: Sat Mar 13 16:10:12 EST 2021 > To: David H <hell...@gmail.com> > Cc: GNUCASH devel <gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Moving to Linux > > yes > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, at 4:05 PM, David H wrote: > > Have you turned "Show Hidden files" on ??? > > > > Cheers David H. > > > > > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 05:43, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > > wrote: > >> I assumed that > >> > >> General Configuration data > >> Gnucash 3.0 and newer: The contents of GNC_DATA_HOME and GNC_CONFIG_HOME. > >> > >> Linux: HOME/.gnucash - most of your preferences, adjusted report settings, > >> column withs, window positions, etc. > >> > >> means that in HOME, I should find a directory called .gnucash but I do not > >> see one? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, at 1:29 PM, John Ralls wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mar 13, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I am moving my data from Mac OS to Linux Manjaro. > >> > > > >> > > I copied over the datafile, no problem. > >> > > > >> > > How do I copy over my Saved Reports? > >> > > > >> > > Also, since the Mac creates invisible '._*' files for each datafile, > >> > > is there a Linux terminal command I can issue to get rid of all of > >> > > them? > >> > > >> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup#Related_Files > >> > > >> > I've never encountered ._* files, but you can get rid of them all with > >> > `find path -name ._* -delete`, substituting the actual path you wand to > >> > search for path. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > John Ralls > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 08:35:50 +1100 > From: Alan Hopkins <hopp...@gmail.com> > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Moving to Linux > Message-ID: > <capts5ufgxqtwlk63rbzxzg3tsp7bjubomftwu1kgi88ao-g...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > This link identifies file locations > https://lists.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/basics-migrate-settings.html > > Hope that helps. > > Alan > > On Sat, 13 Mar. 2021, 9:16 pm Stephen C. Camidge, <scami...@fastmail.fm> > wrote: > > > I am moving my data from Mac OS to Linux Manjaro. > > > > I copied over the datafile, no problem. > > > > How do I copy over my Saved Reports? > > > > Also, since the Mac creates invisible '._*' files for each datafile, is > > there a Linux terminal command I can issue to get rid of all of them? > > > > Thank you, > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 07:44:47 +1000 > From: David H <hell...@gmail.com> > To: "Stephen C. Camidge" <scami...@fastmail.fm> > Cc: John Ralls <jra...@ceridwen.us>, GNUCASH devel > <gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Moving to Linux > Message-ID: > <ca+5xqdoqnkaydodpy7zzm7z-1lmogesexp-yozybon1zzpo...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Using Flatpak version ? If so > try /home/<USERID>/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/data/gnucash. > > Cheers David H. > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 07:10, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > wrote: > > > yes > > > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, at 4:05 PM, David H wrote: > > > > Have you turned "Show Hidden files" on ??? > > > > Cheers David H. > > > > > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 05:43, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > > wrote: > > > > I assumed that > > > > General Configuration data > > Gnucash 3.0 and newer: The contents of GNC_DATA_HOME and GNC_CONFIG_HOME. > > > > Linux: HOME/.gnucash - most of your preferences, adjusted report settings, > > column withs, window positions, etc. > > > > means that in HOME, I should find a directory called .gnucash but I do not > > see one? > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, at 1:29 PM, John Ralls wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Stephen C. Camidge <scami...@fastmail.fm> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am moving my data from Mac OS to Linux Manjaro. > > > > > > > > I copied over the datafile, no problem. > > > > > > > > How do I copy over my Saved Reports? > > > > > > > > Also, since the Mac creates invisible '._*' files for each datafile, > > is there a Linux terminal command I can issue to get rid of all of them? > > > > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup#Related_Files > > > > > > I've never encountered ._* files, but you can get rid of them all with > > > `find path -name ._* -delete`, substituting the actual path you wand to > > > search for path. > > > > > > Regards, > > > John Ralls > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:52:45 -0800 > From: Jim DeLaHunt <list+gnuc...@jdlh.com> > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Moving to Linux > Message-ID: <cf2207e5-eeb6-a2c2-40ee-a6aff12af...@jdlh.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 2021-03-13 02:14, Stephen C. Camidge wrote: > > I am moving my data from Mac OS to Linux Manjaro.? ?the Mac creates > > invisible '._*' files for each datafile? > > FYI, these "._*" files are metadata companions to other files in the > same directory. If you have a file "._mybook.gnucash" (to invent an > example), you probably have a file "mybook.gnucash" in the same directory. > > This pair of files recreates a capability that Mac and other filesystems > have: to store metadata along with the data of a file. For > introductions, see: > /Why are dot underscore ._ files created, and how can I avoid them?/ > <https://apple.stackexchange.com/q/14980/17600 > <https://apple.stackexchange.com/q/14980/17600>>, and > /Resource fork, //Compatibility problems/ > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_fork#Compatibility_problems > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_fork#Compatibility_problems>> > for introductions. > > It's probably more correct to think of your non-Mac system as creating > these files. Did you publish your Linux file system to the Mac using > NetATalk or Samba, and then use the Mac Finder to copy the files from > the Mac file system to that published file system? If so, then NetATalk > or Samba told the Mac it supported storing metadata, when the underlying > Linux file system did not have a way of storing metadata. Thus perhaps > NetATalk or Samba created these "._*" files as a workaround for storing > the file metadata. > > My understanding is that Linux file systems can actually store file > metadata in the form of "extended attributes". But also, I believe that > most Linux apps don't use file metadata. Thus you might be safe to > delete all the ._* files. Other replies in this thread, and the > Apple.Stackexchange.com article above, have offered ways to delete the > files if you don't want them. > > Best regards, > ???? ?Jim DeLaHunt > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 216, Issue 27 > ********************************************* > _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. 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