Can we put this on a vote?
I would say YES bring on. I need to see my notes on the same line as the
transaction.
If there are people that do not like this option maybe azalea4va could provide
an option that the notes can be placed on a new line, same line or hidden all
together.
based on his screen shots, maybe azalea4va coded for that option already.
If that's the case, I see no reason why his request cannot be accommodated.
Make it my request too. Any other takers.
Thank you.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: How do I add notes to my columns? (David Carlson)
2. Re: Further to restricted/unrestricted funds (Fred Bone)
3. Re: How do I add notes to my columns? (azalea4va)
4. Re: New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church)
accounts? Advice? (Liz Dodd)
5. Re: How do I add notes to my columns? (David Carlson)
6. Re: How do I add notes to my columns? (azalea4va)
7. Re: Further to restricted/unrestricted funds (Chris Green)
8. Re: Importing transactions in multi-currency accounting (andrepd)
9. Re: Importing transactions in multi-currency accounting
(David Carlson)
10. Re: Importing transactions in multi-currency accounting (andrepd)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 11:45:28 -0500
From: David Carlson <david.carlson....@gmail.com>
To: azalea4va <b...@azalea.name>
Cc: Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: [GNC] How do I add notes to my columns?
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azalea4va,
Why would you want to impose an ultra-wide layout onto most users that find
it very difficult to see the information even in the double line mode on
their monitors? You have not even provided an illustration of what it
would look like and asked for an opinion from other users. How would it
look to a user that is still using an 800x600 screen? If you were to ask
me about this I would suggest a three line view to see a long description,
long note and long account name for every transaction, not just the one
that has the focus, but make it optional, because the current layout is a
compromise that works fairly well for the majority of users.
David Carlson
On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 9:41 AM azalea4va <b...@azalea.name> wrote:
> When using gnucash on a modern computer monitor, I found it frustrating
> that
> there was plenty of space for the NOTEs field to appear yet also could not
> find anyway to make it happen. So I made some chnaged to a file in the
> source code, recompiled, and now have that capability. See
>
> http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/Notes-column-in-SingleLine-display-td4692253.html
>
> That thread included the diff file for the modified
> src/register/ledger-core/split-register-layout.c for version 2.6. Here is
> the changed file for version 4.0.
>
> split-register-layout.c_diff
> <
> http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/file/t377531/split-register-layout.c_diff>
>
>
> I am disappointed that this revision has not been incorporated into
> gnucash.
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 21:51:45 +0100
From: Fred Bone <fjpb...@gmail.com>
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Further to restricted/unrestricted funds
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On 29 August 2020 at 11:40, Chris Green said:
> I have been doing some reading around this restricted/unrestricted
> funds issue.
>
> I think in reality we have *no* restricted funds in our PCC. What I
> *thought* were restricted funds are actually 'designated' funds. I.e. we
> (the PCC) have made a collection for example 'for repairs to the church
> roof', this is (as I understand it anyway) designated and while it will
> probably be used to mend the roof the PCC is quite at liberty to change
> its mind and do something else with the money.
>
> A restricted fund is something where the *donor* has specified that
> the money is to be used for a specific purpose and is often long term and
> may actually (though not necessarily) be an endowment or some such.
>
> I don't think I need to manage 'restricted' funds as we don't have any in
> our tiny little church.
You may be right, but if a collection has been made *for a specific
purpose* (such as "repairs to the church roof") then the contributors are
entitled to expect the proceeds to be spent on that specific purpose, and
so you should be running a "restricted" fund. The fact that there are
dozens of people rather than a single donor is beside the point.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 12:42:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: azalea4va <b...@azalea.name>
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How do I add notes to my columns?
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To each his own, but I would not call this "ultra-wide", it is normal wide on
a modern monitor. I have no problem seeing the information and I have
old-man eyes. My post was a reply to someone whom seemed to be requesting
this feature and a followup to a post three years ago where I provided a
solution. If you bothered to go to the original post, you would have seen a
link to an image showing exactly what it looks like. But I will include
another here. On my monitor there is tons of white-space available to
handle a NOTES fields and I get the advantage of getting double the rows I
would get with double line mode.
Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-23-26.png
<http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/file/t377531/Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-23-26.png>
(BALANCE column omitted for privacy, strech the image to full screen width
to check readability on your monitor, very readable on mine.)
You are right, this is not for everyone. Space is at a premium on
smartphones, some tablets/laptops and even a 800x600 monitor (ancient as
they are). But this change just gives people the OPTION of having the notes
field in single line. The default width could be VERY small, taking up
almost no space. But with a single click, those that want it get to see a
decently wide notes field. Here is the same screen with the NOTES field
condensed.
Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-28-09.png
<http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/file/t377531/Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-28-09.png>
I have no idea what works better for a majority of users but good software
gives users options that allow it to work optimally in a number of
scenarios. Yes you get wider fields with a double or triple line mode but
you also get half or a third the number of lines on the display. It is a
trade-off. In my case, and in the OP's case apparently, we phave room to
put NOTES on the single-line display. Again, same screen, in double-line
mode. Note how much of the screen real-estate is wasted just showing blank
stuff.
Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-41-04.png
<http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/file/t377531/Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-41-04.png>
The change I propose would allow you to keep things as are, you want to deny
others this option?
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:02:43 +1000
From: Liz Dodd <ed...@billiau.net>
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC
(church) accounts? Advice?
Message-ID: <20200830100243.41e15...@zenpower.billiau.net>
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On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 12:03:10 +0100
Chris Green <c...@isbd.net> wrote:
> > My advice would be to go for a very simple chart of accounts and
> > deal with restricted funds and budgeting externally, either on
> > paper or on a spreadsheet. I have discovered from bitter experience
> > that it is possible to overthink these things?
> >
> Yes, I was! :-)
You can add extra accounts when you need them, so if you do get a
donation specifically for the roof repairs, you can set up separate
accounts in Gnucash at that time.
Liz
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 20:58:56 -0500
From: David Carlson <david.carlson....@gmail.com>
To: azalea4va <b...@azalea.name>
Cc: Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: [GNC] How do I add notes to my columns?
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First, I thought I followed all the links in your previous post,and all I
found were Diff files which don't mean much to an ordinary user.
Especially since your post suggested that you would make that change the
default. Your example views in your last post show a register with the
longest note "train station coke", longest description "Best Western
Executive Seat" and longest account name "@#Points,Amtrack,Both". All of
these are extremely short compared to my typical entries, which are likely
to count between 40 and 100 or more characters in many cases. A more
typical screen resolution might be 1280x800 in a several year old laptop,
and trying to show my data in your one line configuration simply would not
work. Other users' experience would be crucial to any decision regarding
changes.
Second, The reason that I mentioned the 800x600 display size is not
because there are a lot of users still using such low res monitors, but
because most operating systems default to that low res when they do not
find a monitor with higher resolution, and it should still be possible to
limp along in that resolution until one can get their computer fixed.
Third, the register layout in GnuCash has seemingly become a sacred cow of
sorts over the years, partly because the code to implement it is
extraordinarily complex behind the apparently simple appearance, and a
significant change request would likely meet a lot of resistance both from
users and developers. An actual implementation would require extensive
testing. Would your proposal work correctly with the tab key?
If users are ok with it, and the current configuration with the current
settings for each of the several different register variations such as
stock accounts, search reisters, journal registers, "with child account"
registers etc. remains the default, would you be able to develop the code
and test it?
David Carlson
On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 5:51 PM azalea4va <b...@azalea.name> wrote:
> To each his own, but I would not call this "ultra-wide", it is normal wide
> on
> a modern monitor. I have no problem seeing the information and I have
> old-man eyes. My post was a reply to someone whom seemed to be requesting
> this feature and a followup to a post three years ago where I provided a
> solution. If you bothered to go to the original post, you would have seen
> a
> link to an image showing exactly what it looks like. But I will include
> another here. On my monitor there is tons of white-space available to
> handle a NOTES fields and I get the advantage of getting double the rows I
> would get with double line mode.
> Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-23-26.png
> <
> http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/file/t377531/Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-23-26.png>
>
> (BALANCE column omitted for privacy, strech the image to full screen width
> to check readability on your monitor, very readable on mine.)
>
> You are right, this is not for everyone. Space is at a premium on
> smartphones, some tablets/laptops and even a 800x600 monitor (ancient as
> they are). But this change just gives people the OPTION of having the
> notes
> field in single line. The default width could be VERY small, taking up
> almost no space. But with a single click, those that want it get to see a
> decently wide notes field. Here is the same screen with the NOTES field
> condensed.
> Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-28-09.png
> <
> http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/file/t377531/Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-28-09.png>
>
>
> I have no idea what works better for a majority of users but good software
> gives users options that allow it to work optimally in a number of
> scenarios. Yes you get wider fields with a double or triple line mode but
> you also get half or a third the number of lines on the display. It is a
> trade-off. In my case, and in the OP's case apparently, we phave room to
> put NOTES on the single-line display. Again, same screen, in double-line
> mode. Note how much of the screen real-estate is wasted just showing blank
> stuff.
> Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-41-04.png
> <
> http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/file/t377531/Screenshot_from_2020-08-29_13-41-04.png>
>
>
> The change I propose would allow you to keep things as are, you want to
> deny
> others this option?
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:45:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: azalea4va <b...@azalea.name>
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How do I add notes to my columns?
Message-ID: <1598759113143-0.p...@n4.nabble.com>
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David Carlson-4 wrote
> First, I thought I followed all the links in your previous post,and all I
> found were Diff files which don't mean much to an ordinary user..
I had two links in the previous post and one was a .png file.
> Especially since your post suggested that you would make that change the
> default.
I would make having a NOTE field in SingleLine mode the default. The
question is how wide would it be (a very low width like 2px effectively
turns it off). Until somebody gets serious about incorporating that into the
code, there is no point in addressing what width is best. I am open to
suggestions.
> All of
> these are extremely short compared to my typical entries, ... most
> operating systems default to that low res
As I said, different users operating under different circumstances. Many of
my entries come from information downloaded from things like financial
institutions and they are short. And I don't know what OSes you are using,
not my experience. But that is why flexibility is important.
> the register layout in GnuCash has seemingly become a sacred cow of
> sorts over the years, partly because the code to implement it is
> extraordinarily complex
I have struggled with understanding various parts of gnucash code. But this
particular aspect of it I found quite straightforward. Now there are some
types of usage I have not tested because I made the changes for me and had
no call to do exhaustive testing on things I do not use. But from what I
have seen, it is a very simple change. Just changing a whole bunch of lines
in one file that were like this (what was in column 3 is not in column 5).
*gnc_table_layout_set_cell (layout, curs, MXFRM_CELL, 0, 3);*
To this.
* gnc_table_layout_set_cell (layout, curs, MXFRM_CELL, 0, 5);*
> would you be able to develop the code
> and test it?
The code is already developed. I have been using it for 3 years. For
production use it would need production testing and I would be willing to
help with that. But as they say, the worst person to test some code is the
person who wrote it. I would need to learn much more about gnucash testing
protocols. (If the gnucash team is interested in my involvement, I would be
happy to share my expertise and experience qualifications in the field.)
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 08:55:04 +0100
From: Chris Green <c...@isbd.net>
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Further to restricted/unrestricted funds
Message-ID: <20200830075504.GA299392@esprimo>
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On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 09:51:45PM +0100, Fred Bone wrote:
> On 29 August 2020 at 11:40, Chris Green said:
>
> > I have been doing some reading around this restricted/unrestricted
> > funds issue.
> >
> > I think in reality we have *no* restricted funds in our PCC. What I
> > *thought* were restricted funds are actually 'designated' funds. I.e. we
> > (the PCC) have made a collection for example 'for repairs to the church
> > roof', this is (as I understand it anyway) designated and while it will
> > probably be used to mend the roof the PCC is quite at liberty to change
> > its mind and do something else with the money.
> >
> > A restricted fund is something where the *donor* has specified that
> > the money is to be used for a specific purpose and is often long term and
> > may actually (though not necessarily) be an endowment or some such.
> >
> > I don't think I need to manage 'restricted' funds as we don't have any in
> > our tiny little church.
>
> You may be right, but if a collection has been made *for a specific
> purpose* (such as "repairs to the church roof") then the contributors are
> entitled to expect the proceeds to be spent on that specific purpose, and
> so you should be running a "restricted" fund. The fact that there are
> dozens of people rather than a single donor is beside the point.
Well, it is the point in a legal/tax/charity sense. We (the PCC)
decided to make the collection so it's at our discretion what we use
it for, As it's a 'designated' fund then it has to be used for the
designated purpose but it doesn't have all the legal and accounting
rules that a restricted one would. Of course 99 times out of a 100
the fund will be used for its designated use but, with a formal
decision at a PCC meeting, its use can be changed.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:59:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: andrepd <andr...@protonmail.com>
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Importing transactions in multi-currency accounting
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Bump?
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:12:17 -0500
From: David Carlson <david.carlson....@gmail.com>
To: andrepd <andr...@protonmail.com>
Cc: Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: [GNC] Importing transactions in multi-currency accounting
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If you have been using GnuCash for over a year and a half, you may not have
the current release. There have been some changes to the import processes
in that time. Please tell us your OS and GnuCash versions to get the best
advice.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 6:02 AM andrepd via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> Bump?
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:24:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: andrepd <andr...@protonmail.com>
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Importing transactions in multi-currency accounting
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I'm using the flatpak version, so I'm on the latest version (4.1). Build ID:
Flathub 4.1-2, on Linux Mint 18.3.
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