I don't think that running a 64-bit VM on 32-bit hardware would perform very well, but Apple relaxed their restrictions on VM hosting somewhere around 10.10 so there's nothing stopping you from trying.
Regards, John Ralls > On Feb 4, 2018, at 12:28 PM, GWB <g...@2realms.com> wrote: > > John, > > Thank you for doing that in the past, and all your other work. My > recollection (sketchy, at best) is that you can still get the C++11 > compiler for later IBM PPC (OpenPower and ISA), but that has moved on > quite a bit from the old G4 and G5. And knowing Apple, my guess is > that they quit updating their XCode for PPC a long time ago. I do > wonder how much time and effort Apple thinks it will save by dropping > 32 bit, but that's a moot point. FreeBSD and NetBSD (I think) will > build fine on PPC as well; I will check the ports tree and see if > gnucash is there. If not, Debian works fine. > > I wonder if VirtualBox on 32 bit Macs (an idea from the thread here) > will run 64 bit, but if you do that, Apple's position in the past was > that only Apple Server (with licences) can virtualise OS X, and not > clients. Do with that what you will. If someone here on the list is > able to virtualise a 64 bit guest inside a 32 bit Mac, I would be > interested in leaning how. > > Gordon > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 5:59 PM, John Ralls <jra...@ceridwen.us> wrote: >> I won't be bundling Gnucash for PPC after 2.6.20, for lack of a >> suitable--i.e. C++11 capable--compiler. Linux runs well on PPC machines and >> GnuCash passes Debian's tests on their PPC buildbot, so that's the way to go >> if you're still running an old PPC mac. >> >> Regards, >> John Ralls >> >> >>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 12:41 PM, GWB <g...@2realms.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have not yet tried this yet with GnuCash on the G4 and G5 PPC Macs >>> we still have, but it is possible to install FreeBSD 64 bit on the G5 >>> Macs, which does have some virtualisation (weird, but impressive). >>> That would be a "corner case" scenario for what I'm guessing are a >>> very few GnuCash users. And, of course, GnuCash is still ported for >>> Mac PPC (2.6.19, I think) so the question is will the PPC version only >>> support 64 bit from 2.7 on, or will it still run on G4 machines. >>> >>> I think that it's great the devs still port GnuCash for PPC. Lots of >>> apps quite that some time ago. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Adrien Monteleone >>> <adrien.montele...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Yes, with a performance hit, it is possible, at least with Virtualbox to >>>> install a 64-bit OS on a 32-bit host. Mileage varies based on the host and >>>> guest. I’ve pulled it off a few times. I don’t know however if you can run >>>> apps that require 64-bit in such a guest without issue. >>>> >>>> As for the other way around, I’ve never had an issue, but then I also >>>> didn’t have the situation of the host not supporting 32-bit apps either. >>>> It’s worth a shot I suppose to see if older but still functional hardware >>>> can be extended on life support a bit longer. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Adrien >>>> >>>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 6:46 AM, Robert Heller <hel...@deepsoft.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> At Thu, 25 Jan 2018 23:52:00 -0600 Adrien Monteleone >>>>> <adrien.montele...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the heads-up. (I still have a Snow Leopard Macbook, but don’t >>>>>> use it for GnuCash any longer) >>>>>> >>>>>> Any reason to think a 32-bit vm to run 2.6.x if needed on 10.14 or a >>>>>> 64-bit >>>>>> vm to run 2.7/3.0 on older Macs wouldn’t handle those hopefully few >>>>>> cases? >>>>>> (other than maybe a performance hit that is) >>>>> >>>>> Is it possible to run a 64-bit VM on 32-bit hardware? I suspect not. >>>>> >>>>> Note: with Linux/KVM (don't know about other VM systems), you don't >>>>> actually >>>>> get a "32-bit" VM -- all VMs are 64-bit, just like the host -- you just >>>>> install a 32-bit O/S on the 64-bit machine. A 32-bit OS installed on a >>>>> 64-bit >>>>> machine (VM or bare metal) behaves like it was installed on a i686 w/PAE. >>>>> At >>>>> least that is the case of Linux. I have no clue what MacOSX will do if >>>>> you >>>>> try to install a 32-bit incarnation on 64-bit hardware (unless it is a >>>>> really >>>>> old version of MacOSX). I guess you could always install a 32-bit >>>>> version of >>>>> Linux (not really sure why -- even though RH dropped 32-bit *kernels* from >>>>> CentOS 7, 32-bit applications can still be run on CentOS 7 -- I would >>>>> guess >>>>> the same would be true of Ubuntu if/when they stops being 32-bit kernels >>>>> for >>>>> Ubuntu). >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Adrien >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 11:11 PM, John Ralls <jra...@ceridwen.us> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the off chance that anyone else is running a Mac with Developer Beta >>>>>>> MacOS installed, the latest developer beta will put up the attached >>>>>>> dialog when you launch Gnucash 2.6.x. What it means is that MacOS 10.14 >>>>>>> (they’ll announce the name at WWDC in June) won’t support 32-bit >>>>>>> applications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> GnuCash.app 2.7.x is 64-bit and won’t have a problem. That also means >>>>>>> that it won’t work for the (one hopes very few) users who still have >>>>>>> 32-bit Macs. It actually won’t support anything older than MacOS X 10.9 >>>>>>> (Mavericks) which will shut out a few of the early 64-bit Macs as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> John Ralls >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 >>>>> Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services >>>>> http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services >>>>> hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. 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