Re: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 176, Issue 58

Thu, 30 Nov 2017 01:34:23 -0800 

Thanks Colin,

The irony of it is that it was the backup that caused the trouble!
I think I cloned a blank file onto my hard drive instead of the other way around, which meant replacing Windows 10. Fortunately I had a clone in the Garage taken a week earlier - I clone the drive nightly, and once a week I clone it on a different drive to go out in the garage.
The technician had to try three times to re-install windows before he succeeded. It takes me about two weeks to re-install all my programs with the serial numbers and identity keys, and at the end of the second week my computer crashed again, and this time it wasn't an intermittent problem - the motherboard and two other bits of hardware had to be replaced. So I asked the technician to partition the drive into four. Then if Windows crashed again it would only affect the home partition.
When I had the basic programs installed, I tried to clone the hard drive, and was told that it can only clone up to three partitions. I use the AOMEI backerupper which has a free version that does what you need. So I looked for an open-source program to clone my drives. It seemed that Clonezilla and Yumi would be the ideal combination, so I got them and cloned my drive.
Was I in trouble?! Apparently that arrangement changes the format of the home hard drive as well as the clone, so that it can only be run through YUMI - if Yumi is working - which it wasn't.
So there I was with in inoperable hard drive and a clone that wasn't formatted for NTFS so Windows couldn't use it.
Then I remembered my cheap and nasty laptop computer. I discovered how to use DiskPart to recover USB sticks or hard drives and had several USB sticks that didn't work. So I selected each memory stick in turn, cleaned it, selected the volume and reformatted as one partition only.
It worked over and over again, so I decided to try it on my cloned drive. It worked, once I had learned to include QUICK in the command format quick fs=ntfs to avoid waiting several days to complete the format.
At that stage I had a computer hard drive that was incorrectly formatted, a blank hard drive in an USB docking station, and a lap-top. So I formatted a 1TB memory stick as NTSF, transferred the computer hard drive to the docking station, copied each of the last three partitions onto a folder in the memory stick, so that the data would be in a root folder which contained three data folders instead of four partitions. For the root folder, I only copied the non-windows folders to avoid conflict with Windows. Then I duplicated the USB memory stick onto the blank hard drive.
Now I had two backups, so I re-installed Windows, made sure that it was running correctly and formatted as NTFS, then copied my backup hard drive information back to the computer hard drive.
I bought another hard drive for the USB docking station, and cloned the computer drive in 32minutes 38 seconds. I removed the computer hard drive, and plugged in the cloned hard drive in its place, and everything booted up nicely.
So, now I have one computer hard drive updated, one cloned updated hard drive, and one hard drive with all the old partitions. I'll keep that until I'm convinced that I won't need to find important data on it - such as gnucash. Once I feel safe again, I'll keep a daily clone on the computer, and a weekly clone out in the garage. The advantage of having clones (if they work) is that I'll never again have to remember where I put the gnucash data files. If one hard drive becomes faulty, I'll just boot up from another clone.
Now, I only have to re-install a heap of other programs. I've already installed MS Office, Open Office, Photoshop, Lightroom, Adobe Premiere Elements, GnuCash, color picker, and icons in the task bar for restarting the computer and for stopping it. I've installed Thunderbird, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, and Roboform, and tracked down the bookmarks and data where needed.
I know the value of backups - I just lost several thousand photos for Stock Photos when the clone software cloned over the top of a memory stick. I don't know how that happened, but it means that I'll have to start again from scratch, taking photos. And backing up the memory stick is painful - it starts off saying that it can copy everything in five hours, then three hours, then a day, then two days, then indefinitely, as the transfer keeps slowing down. There must be a faster way, but I haven't found it yet. 

Ian McAllister


On 29/11/2017 05:05 PM, Colin Law wrote:

Now that you have found them do remember to make regular backups to a
removable usb drive or something, that is not permanently plugged into
your computer, and also backup any other important files/documents you
have. Remember that a PC or drive can go up in smoke (literally or
metaphorically) at any time, taking your data with it. You should also
have an occasional offsite backup in case of fire/theft or similar
catastrophe.

Colin

On 29 November 2017 at 07:36, Ian McAllister <purch...@smarthomebiz.com> wrote:

A big thanks to everybody who tried to help me to recover from the crash.
It's fixed!

The trouble is that I don't have a good enough memory for the half-million
files on my hard drive.

I just spotted that I had two folders in my data folder (which doesn't get
wiped each time that Windows crashes) for personal accounts and business
accounts. All that I needed to do was to reinstall GnuCash then tell it to
open file. Then I had to navigate to one of the two discovered folders and
open the folder - not one of the files. Then I did the same with the other,
and everything is set up again.

Now I've re-named the files with gnucash in the name which might help my
memory - e.g. AccountsBusinessGnucash2017

Thanks for your help - I hated the idea of re-entering half a year of
bookkeeping.

Ian McAllister


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     3. Feedback for 2.7.2 on Windows (Alen Siljak)
     4. Re: Alphavantage not working in gnucash 2.6.17 (John Ralls)
     5. MacOS Sierra - Upgrade Problems (Fiona Vella)
     6. Re: GnuCash release numbering (Alan Whiteman)
     7. Re: MacOS Sierra - Upgrade Problems (Gerry Starnes)
     8. Re: MacOS Sierra - Upgrade Problems (Christoph R)
     9. Re: MacOS Sierra - Upgrade Problems (Fiona Vella)
    10. Re: Alphavantage not working in gnucash 2.6.17 (Patrick Alken)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 07:01:13 -0400
From: Alexis Lucena Torrellas <alexislucen...@gmail.com>
To: Christoph R <subscriptions+lis...@rohland.net>
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: Gncash 2.6.17 crash on Mac Os High Sierra 10.13.Beta
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Thank you very much, I did it and I can use the program again ... I do not
know how much I appreciate it, I thank you very much ...

Blessings!


El 28 nov. 2017, a las 6:32 a. m., Christoph R
<subscriptions+lis...@rohland.net> escribi?:

Use the current release (2.6.18). It is out there

Cheers,
Christoph



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 14:51:13 +0100
From: "Frank H. Ellenberger" <frank.h.ellenber...@gmail.com>
To: help...@smarthomebiz.com, gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 176, Issue 55
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Am 28.11.2017 um 04:44 schrieb Ian McAllister:

Thanks David,

I searched my backup disk, and found 473 instances of .gnucash but no
files with the right name, but without the .gcm at the end.

I suppose I'll just have to start with a new installation, and put in
data from my bank for five months.

Ian McAllister

If you have a copy of the windows registry in your backup, search it for
keys similar to "org.gnucash.history" file0 ... should contain the path
of your recent used data files.

Usually they should be in your home directory, but not in its .gnucash
directory.

HTH
Frank


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 14:53:16 +0100
From: "Alen Siljak" <alen.sil...@gmx.com>
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Feedback for 2.7.2 on Windows
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     Hi!

     This is my first post to the list and I'm still figuring out where all
     the different pieces of information should be addressed. I'm not sure
     if there is a specific channel for the unstable version feedback,
apart
     from BugZilla.
     I had a brief run of the 2.7.2 version of GnuCash on Windows 10. It
     took a while to start the first time but everything went well there.
     The application seems quicker and more responsive than 2.6.18 in
     general.
     One thing I noticed, though, is that no custom reports were available
     in the Reports menu even though the settings were correctly copied to
     the new location in the roaming profile folder.

     Other than that, I'd like to thank you very much for this software
     package. I've followed it for years but have only made the switch
     recently. I'm still in the process of migrating the data. I really
like
     being able to run my own reports on the data and, in that regard, I
     hope for more extensibility in the future. Python bindings are a great
     idea but they are currrently not available on Windows.
     Fortunately, Sebastien provided some wonderful functionality for
Python
     in the form of piecash and gnucash-utilities project. I'm writing some
     portfolio tools and reports that I find missing in GnuCash, on top of
     those two projects, in https://github.com/MisterY/gnucash-portfolio.
     We'll see what this grows into and/if these get merged.

     Cheers,

     Alen


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 06:50:59 -0800
From: John Ralls <jra...@ceridwen.us>
To: Patrick Alken <al...@colorado.edu>
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: Alphavantage not working in gnucash 2.6.17
Message-ID: <73ba756e-a53d-48c7-8a3b-b7a9e26ec...@ceridwen.us>
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On Nov 27, 2017, at 9:57 PM, Patrick Alken <al...@colorado.edu> wrote:

Apologies if this has already been asked, but I couldn't find this exact
issue in the recent mailings.

I have:

gnucash: 2.6.17

F::Q: 1.47

My F::Q works from the command line:

----------

$ gnc-fq-dump alphavantage CSCO
Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
      symbol: CSCO                 <=== required
        date: 11/27/2017           <=== recommended
    currency: USD                  <=== required
        last: 36.8700              <=\
         nav:                      <=== one of these
       price:                      <=/
    timezone:                      <=== optional
----------

However inside gnucash price editor I still get the "unknown error when
retrieving price quotes".

I have unchecked the "Get Online Quotes" flag from ALL of my stocks in
the security editor. However the price editor still gives me the same
error (unknown error).

gnucash --debug shows nothing related to quotes. I only get lines like
this:

----

* 22:34:53  INFO <gnc.account> [xaccAccountGetBalanceInCurrency]
baln=0/1
* 22:34:53  INFO <gnc.account> [xaccAccountGetBalanceInCurrency]
baln=0/100
* 22:34:53  INFO <gnc.account> [xaccAccountGetBalanceInCurrency]
baln=0/100
* 22:34:53  INFO <gnc.account> [xaccAccountGetBalanceInCurrency]
baln=0/100

----

Can anyone advise how to diagnose the issue?

What OS and how did you install F::Q?

Regards,
John Ralls



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:10:21 -0500
From: Fiona Vella <fmcve...@gmail.com>
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: MacOS Sierra - Upgrade Problems
Message-ID:

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Hello all,

I recently upgraded to MacOS High Sierra and now the Gnucash application
will no longer open. Have others experienced this problem elsewhere? Is
there a fix?

Thanks in advance.


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 07:27:55 -0800
From: Alan Whiteman <a.c.white...@gmail.com>
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: GnuCash release numbering
Message-ID: <a38ea0ca-8b70-7a80-7a87-9a7dd9663...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Thank you Eric for such a thorough explanation. Very nice.

I think my point is purely from a marketing perspective. For the
number-inclined people such as accountants and software developers, this
all makes perfect sense. However, for the ordinary folk the system can
be confusing. So perhaps a sort of "cosmetic" version system may be
employed?

2.6.18 -> "Version 26"

2.7.0 -> "Version 27"

2.7.1 -> Version 28"

...etc.

Although to be perfectly honest, "stable release" is clearly labeled on
the website.

On 11/27/2017 07:59 PM, Eric Siegerman wrote:

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 02:14:31PM -0500, davel...@mac.com wrote:

Yes, 2.6.18 is newer. Each number between the periods is a
separate number and 18 is greater than 3.

To expand on that:  software version numbers don't work like
decimal fractions, even though they use "." as a separator.
Think of "2.6.18" as a series of (multi-digit) integers, and
compare each integer in turn until you find one that differs:
        2 = 2
        6 = 6
       18 > 3    <--- Bingo!

To put it another way: unlike in mathematics, "2.6.3" and
"2.6.30" are *not* equal.  (GnuCash 2.6.30 doesn't exist -- nor,
I imagine, will it ever exist, because the whole 2.6.x series
will reach end-of-life long before it gets twelve more releases.)

It gets weirder; I oversimplified, above.  The individual
components of a version number are not always integers.  There
can be other characters as well, usually letters.  Worse, what
those letters mean depends on the project.

In some projects, "3a" comes before "3".  To invent an example,
"4.7.3a1" might be the first "alpha testing" pre-release.  Then
"beta" releases like 4.7.3b1; then "release candidates" like
4.7.3rc1; and finally the *real* release, 4.7.3 itself.

In other projects, it's the other way around -- something like
"3a" comes *after* "3".

GnuCash works the second way.  It had 2.6.17a and 2.6.17b as
*very* minor post-release corrections to 2.6.17.  Typically
one tries to avoid needing these post-release fixups, and in
fact GnuCash 2.6.18 hasn't needed any ... but sometimes stuff
happens...

One wants the world of computers to be as logical as Mr. Spock,
but alas, we humans seem able to make a confusing mess out of
anything :-/


In general, do not download the 2.7.x versions as those are
beta releases for the next version unless you are testing those
with other data (i.e., don't run a 2.7 with the only copy of
your actual data file).

The way GnuCash distinguishes testing prereleases is with odd vs.
even numbers for the second component.  The 2.6.x series are
"stable", i.e. intended for production use.  There are already
several 2.7.x releases, but those are "unstable"; they're only
for testing, *not* production use.  Once the 2.7.x series
stabilizes, they'll release 2.8.0, which will be the first stable
release of the new series.  So:

       2.6.3     <--- Several years old now
       ...
       2.6.16
       2.6.17
       2.6.17a
       2.6.17b
       2.6.18    <--- The current stable release.  INSTALL THIS ONE.

       2.7.0     \    These already exist ...
       2.7.1     |    ... but they're for testing only.
       2.7.2     /    DO NOT USE them for real work!

------------  <--- (2017-11-27.  Below here is in the future.)

       2.6.19    <--- The next stable release in the 2.6.x series
       2.7.3     <--- The next testing release
       2.6.x     <--- Repeat as necessary ...
       2.7.y     <--- ... until ...

       2.8.0     <--- The first stable release of the new series
       2.8.1     <--- And so on
       ...
       2.9.0     <--- First of the testing prereleases leading up to
                      2.10.0


     - Eric
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 09:28:09 -0600
From: Gerry Starnes <gerrystar...@gmail.com>
To: Fiona Vella <fmcve...@gmail.com>
Cc: Gnucash User List <gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: MacOS Sierra - Upgrade Problems
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Yes. Upgraded to latest version. Problem solved.

GS


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Fiona Vella <fmcve...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hello all,

I recently upgraded to MacOS High Sierra and now the Gnucash application
will no longer open. Have others experienced this problem elsewhere? Is
there a fix?

Thanks in advance.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:29:30 +0100
From: Christoph R <subscriptions+lis...@rohland.net>
To: Fiona Vella <fmcve...@gmail.com>
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: MacOS Sierra - Upgrade Problems
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Hi Fiona,

upgrade to the latest version (2.6.18) from http://www.gnucash.org

Cheers,
Christoph


Am 28.11.2017 um 16:10 schrieb Fiona Vella <fmcve...@gmail.com>:

Hello all,

I recently upgraded to MacOS High Sierra and now the Gnucash application
will no longer open. Have others experienced this problem elsewhere? Is
there a fix?

Thanks in advance.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:35:20 -0500
From: Fiona Vella <fmcve...@gmail.com>
To: Christoph R <subscriptions+lis...@rohland.net>
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: MacOS Sierra - Upgrade Problems
Message-ID: <9a0a5cf2-2719-471a-8cf9-3d9dd9619...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii

Thanks all!


On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:29 AM, Christoph R
<subscriptions+lis...@rohland.net> wrote:

Hi Fiona,

upgrade to the latest version (2.6.18) from http://www.gnucash.org

Cheers,
Christoph


Am 28.11.2017 um 16:10 schrieb Fiona Vella <fmcve...@gmail.com>:

Hello all,

I recently upgraded to MacOS High Sierra and now the Gnucash application
will no longer open. Have others experienced this problem elsewhere? Is
there a fix?

Thanks in advance.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 09:46:25 -0700
From: Patrick Alken <al...@colorado.edu>
To: John Ralls <jra...@ceridwen.us>
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: Alphavantage not working in gnucash 2.6.17
Message-ID: <ed793588-bd39-84a0-dcc4-6ce244c99...@colorado.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

My OS is Ubuntu linux 17.10

and I installed F::Q via CPAN (gnc-fq-dump and gnc-fq-helper work ok
from the commandline with alphavantage)

On 11/28/2017 07:50 AM, John Ralls wrote:

On Nov 27, 2017, at 9:57 PM, Patrick Alken <al...@colorado.edu> wrote:

Apologies if this has already been asked, but I couldn't find this exact
issue in the recent mailings.

I have:

gnucash: 2.6.17

F::Q: 1.47

My F::Q works from the command line:

----------

$ gnc-fq-dump alphavantage CSCO
Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
       symbol: CSCO                 <=== required
         date: 11/27/2017           <=== recommended
     currency: USD                  <=== required
         last: 36.8700              <=\
          nav:                      <=== one of these
        price:                      <=/
     timezone:                      <=== optional
----------

However inside gnucash price editor I still get the "unknown error when
retrieving price quotes".

I have unchecked the "Get Online Quotes" flag from ALL of my stocks in
the security editor. However the price editor still gives me the same
error (unknown error).

gnucash --debug shows nothing related to quotes. I only get lines like
this:

----

* 22:34:53  INFO <gnc.account> [xaccAccountGetBalanceInCurrency]
baln=0/1
* 22:34:53  INFO <gnc.account> [xaccAccountGetBalanceInCurrency]
baln=0/100
* 22:34:53  INFO <gnc.account> [xaccAccountGetBalanceInCurrency]
baln=0/100
* 22:34:53  INFO <gnc.account> [xaccAccountGetBalanceInCurrency]
baln=0/100

----

Can anyone advise how to diagnose the issue?

What OS and how did you install F::Q?

Regards,
John Ralls



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:53:32 -0600
From: Steve Goings <jsgoi...@novagraph.com>
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Slow startup on Windows 10, v2.6.18
Message-ID:

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I've been using 2.6.18 on Windows 10 for some weeks with no problems until
recently.

Now, startup gets very slow as Gnucash renders the first report that was
displayed in the last session. It takes about 30 seconds to render that
first report. Then the other reports render quickly, as expected.

When I close all the reports and then close Gnucash, restart happens
quickly as expected. Then when I try to run any report, there is again
about a 30 second delay to render that first report, no matter what it is.
After that, other reports are rendered quickly.

I have created a new Gnucash file, with the basic accounts, and no data,
and get the same delay when rendering any of the standard reports the
first
time.

I have removed and reinstalled Gnucash 2.6.18, to no avail. When I look at
the Windows task manager, nothing seems to be eating CPU cycles or doing
anything to slow down the system.

I also have the latest Mac version of Gnucash running on a MacBook Pro,
and
it does not have this problem on the same data file and reports.

Seeing this long delay after seeing none earlier has made me worry about
some problem in the installation on Windows. I have tried clearing out all
the Gnucash support files, such as I can find and reinstalling. None of
this helps.

Is this long delay on Windows for the first report rendering expected
behavior now? If anyone has some ideas I would be grateful.

In the meantime, I have gone back to 2.4.15 on Windows, and it works
without any of the delays, but I would prefer to use the newer release if
possible.

I tried the development release, and it would not even run on my system.

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions. I did report a bug on
this,

SG


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