It's been rumoured that [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> 
> On 21 Jun, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Yes; you could use something like e.g. libXML to parse the ofx (I'm thinking 
> > SP is too big or too complex, dunno???), and jam the resulting data into the 
>existing
> > structures in the gnucash engine (you are welcome to suggest/discuss/implwement
> > extensions/enhancements to the current gnucash engine structures).  
> 
> SP seemed to be a bit much. I don't want to duplicate effort, it's
> really not the "Free Software" way. ;)
> 
> I'm not familiar enough with the code yet to think up improvements in
> the engine, but when I do get there I'll be sure to let everyone know
> if I find anything. 
>  
> > Well, the origianl idea was that for each and every request & respnse
> > in the DTD, there would be an *identical* C++ class.  The C++ class would 
> 
> Very cool idea. 
> 
> > compile-time versioning nightmare.  This is why I think my inital approach
> > is inappropriate at least for ofx; I just don't trust microsoft & intuit enough
> > not to screw it around.
> 
> I agree, M$ and Intuit are not really the type of company you can trust
> not to mess up an open spec. 
> 
> > My impression is that these are well-kept secrets so that hackers like us
> > are discouraged from screwing around.  I did find one for e*trade, and 
> > some other one, I think they're in the ofx dir which btw has been moved 
> > to raw/ofx from src/ofx.   They worked; I was able to log on (see the sample 
> > traces included.)
> 
> That's what I'm beginning to find too. When are people going to learn
> that "security through obscurity" doesn't work? *sigh*. Maybe if I
> pester the bank I can talk them into giving me the URL. If not I guess
> I could run tcpdump on my firewall and catch a trace of the session. 

bzzt; you'll get the ip address but not the url.  the first thing quicken &
msmoney do is open an ssl socet so you won't see the traffic.  So I created
a man-in-the-middle ssl spoofer. still no luck, since at least msmoney
refused to work with a certificate that wasn't signed by a bonafide
certificate authority.  We'd need to shell out the $50-$100 or whatever 
to get one or borrow one somewhere.

I did discover that intuit does the following little nasty:
when one starts up & it asks about diagnostic information, and you click ok,
it opens a connect to intuit and sends some very nice XML ...
-- your quicken registration/serial number
... wait theres more
-- cpu speed cpu type installed ram  MBytes
... wait theres more
-- cdrom speed, make & manufacture, ditto modem, ehternet card, etc. info
... wait theres more
-- the last time you used quicken
-- the bankid of the last bank you did you transaction with
-- the time of day you did it at,
-- whther that transaction was successful or had an error in it (ofx error code)
-- loop until n most recent transactions summarized.

I was appalled. It did everything except send back the actual dollar amount,
and the actual bank account number you used.  This is seriously serious BS;
and I am waiting for the lid to blow; for the major dailies to pick this up.

btw this *was* a beta/developmet version of quicken, I don't know if the
general-issue products do this.  I went home dizzy.  You cannot trust these
guys.

--linas


>  
> >> I'm getting a handle on this slowly, 600 pages of docs was a bit more
> >> then I expected. ;)
> > 
> > No kidding.  I think it was meant to be a pre-emptive strike against
> > IBM and the banks, they wanted to prove they were better at banking 
> > than the banks ... microsoft is after world domination, remember?
> 
> Sure seems like it. But it also seems to be the only well-supported
> protocol at the bank level. So we're kind of stuck with it. 
> 
> I thought WE were after world domination! ;)
> 
> Travis
> 

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