Hello Vadim, I install UbuntuGnome to certain number of computers each month, and I depend on those enthusiastic users and extension developers to include some key extensions to the preinstallations (for wholesalers too).
I hope we are all walking to GS succeed. My contribution is to be populating many computers in Spain with Gnome 3, and to have direct feedback from unexperienced users and unrelated technicians. El 06/05/15 a les 21:04, Vadim ha escrit: > Hi Deng, > > And thank you for your interest in my extension. > > Indeed, de facto, I have not been developing for GS for quite a while > now, for several reasons. And the difficulty of maintaining of > extensions, is one of them. Unfortunately, the GS team expressed > explicitly the lack of their interest in further supporting of > extensions, and it became more and more difficult to develop, support > and even submit extensions. I have moved to Linux Mint Debian since > that, and wanted to port YAWL at first, but the truth is that I have > literally forgotten about it since then, as so far I felt no need to > either add any functionality to the OS, or even reinstall it, as it is a > rolling distribution. > > A good OS is the one you quickly forget about. In the sense that the > most important part of OS, in my opinion, is its ability not to > interfere with the user. This is why, for example, Windows 8 sucked from > day one on desktops. But, at least, they listen to users and developers, > and move forward. An iconic example here is the removal of the Start > menu, which is now back in Windows 10 in some form due to massive > complaints. I had same feelings towards GS, when it was too young to > give any reasonable critique, and when I saw significant progress from > the initial version 3.0 to 3.8. At the same time, over years, what I saw > was the clear tendency to keep dropping functionality instead of > improving it, and move further away from what people say, expect or help > to develop for GS. > > In any case, I believe there are many who feel differently, and, > honestly, I have not seen the most recent developments in GS, so it is > hard for me to give any updated opinion on this matter. So, I apologize > in advance, in case I missed some serious changes in the way it works > now, especially regarding extension development, or at least attitude > towards contributions by others. > > And to be clear and fair, I am not the one who has any hate-like > attitude to GS. After all, I devoted several years to using it, and more > than a year to developing for it. But I just moved on. > > That being said, I would be more than happy to help you, or anyone else > interested for that matter, personally. I believe, it would be more > helpful if you could communicate your questions to me directly, and get > the first hand help with developing, debugging etc. and explanations of > the extension functionality. The only thing I miss for now, is the great > community of enthusiastic users and extension developers truly wanting > GS to eventually succeed. So, I would definitely help such people, and > please feel free to PM me, and we will figure that out. > > Vadim. > > > On 05/06/2015 07:00 AM, gnome-shell-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: >> Send gnome-shell-list mailing list submissions to >> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> gnome-shell-list-requ...@gnome.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> gnome-shell-list-ow...@gnome.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of gnome-shell-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Where can I find detailed extension API changes of >> gnome-shell 3.12 ? (??) >> 2. Re: Where can I find detailed extension API changes of >> gnome-shell 3.12 ? (Norman L. Smith) >> 3. Re: Where can I find detailed extension API changes of >> gnome-shell 3.12 ? (??) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 21:50:11 +0800 >> From: ?? <tors...@gmail.com> >> To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> Subject: Where can I find detailed extension API changes of >> gnome-shell 3.12 ? >> Message-ID: >> <caob3iuhhrv1z83rpaoo2rlbgpil2undkt6f5mk2av-1kb3f...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Hi, >> >> I feel it's very inconvenience to use gnome-shell without the YAWL >> extension. The extension is only partially functional under 3.12, and >> the author has already abandoned it. >> After some extensive Googling with no luck, I decided to fix it >> myself. I'm planning to start with API changes >> >> I'm new to gnome-shell extension development, any suggestion would be >> appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> Deng Yao >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 12:24:12 -0400 >> From: "Norman L. Smith" <nls1...@gmail.com> >> To: ?? <tors...@gmail.com> >> Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> Subject: Re: Where can I find detailed extension API changes of >> gnome-shell 3.12 ? >> Message-ID: <1430843052.22387.13.ca...@valkyrie.newbarnyard.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 21:50 +0800, ?? wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I feel it's very inconvenience to use gnome-shell without the YAWL >>> extension. The extension is only partially functional under 3.12, and >>> the author has already abandoned it. >>> After some extensive Googling with no luck, I decided to fix it >>> myself. I'm planning to start with API changes >>> >>> I'm new to gnome-shell extension development, any suggestion would be >>> appreciated. >> Writing gnome shell extensions is more a patching operation than >> developing with an API. >> Writing Gnome Shell Extensions requires access to the shell source >> code. The shell sources became binary as gresouces with version >> 3.12. The sources must be extracted for examination. >> >> The following links may be of help to you. >> >> http://worldofgnome.org/how-to-extract-shell-from-gresource >> >> https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/03/24/keeping-gnome-shell-approachable/ >> >> >> With sources of the older shell and the extension you can examine >> the newer shell code to determine what has changed. Sometimes it is >> easy and sometimes it is a quite a task to duplicate an extension's >> functionality in the new shell. >> >> As an example I have a small personal extension I moved from 3.10 >> (35 lines) to 3.16 (207 lines). At first look I said to myself >> I'm not sure this can be done. It took a completely different >> approach and a re-write. >> >> I hope this is helpful. >> >> Regards, >> Norman >> -- >> "The source code is the documentation.", uttered by so many. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 12:58:21 +0800 >> From: ?? <tors...@gmail.com> >> To: "Norman L. Smith" <nls1...@gmail.com> >> Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> Subject: Re: Where can I find detailed extension API changes of >> gnome-shell 3.12 ? >> Message-ID: >> <caob3iugkrdn7mh7outx8tahfawhpgstfjfqk6w5achk84ps...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Norman L. Smith <nls1...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 21:50 +0800, ?? wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I feel it's very inconvenience to use gnome-shell without the YAWL >>>> extension. The extension is only partially functional under 3.12, and >>>> the author has already abandoned it. >>>> After some extensive Googling with no luck, I decided to fix it >>>> myself. I'm planning to start with API changes >>>> >>>> I'm new to gnome-shell extension development, any suggestion would be >>>> appreciated. >>> Writing gnome shell extensions is more a patching operation than >>> developing with an API. >> I'm quite surprised by this design decision. Although it offers >> greater freedom for extension development, it makes extension >> maintenance difficult. >> >>> Writing Gnome Shell Extensions requires access to the shell source >>> code. The shell sources became binary as gresouces with version >>> 3.12. The sources must be extracted for examination. >>> >>> The following links may be of help to you. >>> >>> http://worldofgnome.org/how-to-extract-shell-from-gresource >>> >>> https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/03/24/keeping-gnome-shell-approachable/ >>> >>> >>> With sources of the older shell and the extension you can examine >>> the newer shell code to determine what has changed. Sometimes it is >>> easy and sometimes it is a quite a task to duplicate an extension's >>> functionality in the new shell. >>> >>> As an example I have a small personal extension I moved from 3.10 >>> (35 lines) to 3.16 (207 lines). At first look I said to myself >>> I'm not sure this can be done. It took a completely different >>> approach and a re-write. >> The YAWL extension failed to get all windows in current workspace, I'm >> still struggling with its own source code. >> >>> I hope this is helpful. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Norman >>> -- >>> "The source code is the documentation.", uttered by so many. >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-shell-list mailing list >> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 79, Issue 3 >> *********************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list _______________________________________________ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
