> Hi Steve, > > This is exactly the sort of design I love to see, and it's what I was strongly > pushing for. This sort of an approach of designing APIs after use cases on a > one-by-one basis is what GNOME design is about, and it makes me a lot more > comfortable than a generic request/response system. > > I'm not a UX designer, so I can't speak to the flow of the system you've > designed, > whether it fits in with our plans, or if we even want such a widget to display > or provide credentials in the first place. It's simply an example, of course. > > I feel like we can do this on a case-by-case basis, by looking at places where > security is poor or limited (Portals, Intents, and the ability to choose user > content by delegating to a system component is the most often quoted example), > and designing a new solution that takes security measures into account. > > Things like screen sharing are more generic and difficult. Imagine I have a > program like OBS: the goal is to capture my desktop and stream it to a service > like Twitch. This is a perfectly acceptable use case for screen sharing, but > we > don't want the user to have their screen shared when they don't want it.
Looking back at the three proposed approaches, and speculating over what UX each would provide: 1) OBS is allowed to capture the screen by default in the system config -- strong trust implication involved. Note that I proposed not to give privileges to apps that don't have a GUI, however separate security indicators may be more adequate (see below). User needs to link GUI element or security indicator to app and to be relatively aware of the presence of such an indicator. This is very much the philosophy of Swirl (isr.uci.edu/projects/swirl/), however security isn't retroactive. User can be compromised before s/he notices the screen is being captured. User can removed OBS from the list if unhappy/insecure 2) OBS is rewritten to take implement some new interaction techniques with the DE. It can contain a DE-managed widget or other method of interaction that conveys the user's intent and desire for OBS to capture the screen, at no extra interaction cost. The user is then more in control than in the default list case because the permission is present only when needed. Neatly enough security indicators (those that allow revoking the permission) appear at the same time the user performed the transparent granting action, so the user can experience a relationship between those. This approach is likely to be better for some privileges (but maybe not when it comes to clipboard managers, how'd you tell your OS that you want a clipboard manager app to have complete access to the clipboard!?) 3) a) OBS doesn't want to / can't implement technique above, and then it cannot access the screen capture capability directly. It needs to send a request to some system component that prompts the user in a way or another for permission (suggesting my UI because it's unlikely that a passive notification would get the job done, especially for purpose-built apps - the user's more likely to have started OBS to record the screen *now*). Annoying for the user because they have one more interaction step, but they might tolerate it *if it's rare enough* b) a legacy OBS doesn't have code to ask for a permission. The DE may include some per-app or per-window security controls mechanism to give OBS some capability, and then OBS's legacy code would automagically work. I wouldn't bother with that myself, I don't think unmaintained apps should be dragged around when such massive changes to how userland works are required. Really, really annoying for the user: they have to rationalise the way they perform the primary task, identify the relationship between the app's initial failure and security mechanisms, switch contexts to the security control and use it to fix the app. This is called an interaction breakdown and is really the nightmare scenario for me > A design here could be to have an indicator available to the user when an > application is capturing the desktop, and when the user clicks it, they can > see > all the applications currently recording and have the ability to stop the > recordings, flat out kill the app, or go to a more detailed settings panel to > see exactly what the applications are capturing. > > While this design may not be perfect, it affords what I think are the key > frustrations with SELinux: it gives transparency into what the application is > doing (the user will notice a red icon to mean their screen is being > recorded), > why it's doing it (well, if they're running OBS, then they want to stream this > game), and gives them the ability to set their own policy. Indicators are probably the way to go (more than taking permissions away when the app "hides"). I'm unsure myself what's good to do for indicators, I already think though that it's better to link an indicator to a GUI area when possible. If the app has a window, the indicator should be located around that window. If it's in a panel, the indicator should sit next to it. If it's in the notification area, etc. The problem is security is not that big a thing that it warrants destroying and cluttering the whole GUI with indicators. So I guess there's a lot of thinking to put into how such indicators can also play a useful role for process management for users, or how to make them discreet yet obvious to find. One tiny thing though: I don't think we should ever assume that the OS or user knows *why* an app is doing something just because they know it's doing it. We should actually communicate the idea that if the user doesn't know why, they should prevent the app from doing it right away, and that the OS will never be able to tell the why part itself. > At this point, I'm reminded of tef's post, asking, "What's your threat > model?" [0]: > > Who is attacking? How are they attacking? Will we know when somebody's > attacking? > Will the user know when somebody's attacking? Can we know a legitimate actions > compared to an illegitimate one? Can the user know a legitimate action > compared > to an illegitimate one? > > How much of a choice should the user be making, and how much of a choice > should > we make for the user? What choices can we, or the user make? What information > do > we expose to the user in the case of a questionable action? > > How can the user stop a perceived attack? Should they stop a perceived attack? > What can go wrong if the user stops a perceived attack that is a legitimate > action? > > We need to be asking those questions, and more, rather than talk about > GtkPasswordForms > and the X,Y positions of widgets. Those are just technical implementation > details > of how to implement a more secure design. We can crank those out in a day. The > tough part is the thinking towards making a more usable, transparent, secure > system in general. > > [0] http://programmingisterrible.com/post/67851666020/whats-your-threat-model http://mupuf.org/blog/2014/03/18/managing-auth-ui-in-linux/#4-threat-model Summary: - who: wildly irrelevant - how: remotely, by getting you to use their app or process their data (file/web/etc) - will you know? nope - legitimate or not? can't tell at all now, in the future might be sometimes able to (using permissions/indicators) - who chooses: very context-dependent. you need to never prevent the user from achieving primary task, though - what can we choose: we can decide which apps are likely to: a) get compromised and b) be malicious, and we can adjust default policy and user decision support accordingly - what info to expose: see my article - how to stop attack: now, can't. later, by revoking permissions - what can go wrong: interaction breakdown It doesn't go into that many details, I can develop if non-security people feel this'd be useful to them. Ultimately what will influence the interactions that can be proposed is tightly linked to the techniques available to implement them. In my opinion only DEs and their own upstreams will be willing to make significant development efforts. Especially, app developers should not suffer too much of a cost because apart from Chrome/Firefox, few will bother to implement security in their apps (as indicated by how easy it is to fuzz, e.g., evince which would be my personal attack vector if I wanted to target Linux users). -- Steve Dodier-Lazaro PhD student in Information Security University College London Dept. of Computer Science Malet Place Engineering, 6.07 Gower Street, London WC1E 6BT OpenPGP : 1B6B1670?
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