On 11/02/2012 2:48 AM, francesca vitalini wrote:
In fact in the reverse transformation I'm feeding the CG structure information.

Yes, but you need a source of atomistic intra-residue knowledge about protein structure in order to convert a CG structure to something that is vaguely plausible at FG.

Once I look through VMD to the FG structure I notice that the backbones are not in planes so definitely I need to run some minimization there. In the tutorial they were using simulating annealing, but I don't think I need more than energy minimization for that.
What do you think?

So you've learned that any kind of simple restraint based on the input FG structure is likely to produce a garbage result because the atomistic detail of the input FG structure is garbage. Simulated annealing does sound like a good way to start refining the structure. You need something capable of more than local minimization, unlike EM. Tiny time steps are probably necessary to cope with the large forces.

In GROMACS 4.5 you could use some COM virtual sites (or similar, see manual) to have position restraints to the positions of the original beads. If you feel the result of the above refinement has deviated too much for whatever your real purpose is, then taking the refined structure and introducing such v-site position restraints could be useful.

Mark




2012/2/10 Mark Abraham <mark.abra...@anu.edu.au <mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au>>

    On 11/02/2012 12:41 AM, francesca vitalini wrote:
    In order to overcome the problem I tried to fix everything except
    the backbone (solvent, sidechain and CA, as I want the structure
    to be maintained). However, if I do then I have problems with the
    energy minimization as the force on the 15300 is infinite.

    Getting Loaded...
    Reading file EM1-1.tpr, VERSION 3.3.1 (single precision)
    Loaded with Money

    Steepest Descents:
       Tolerance (Fmax)   =  1.00000e+01
       Number of steps    =         2000
------------------------------------------------------- inf, atom= 15300
    Program mdrun, VERSION 3.3.1
    Source code file: nsgrid.c, line: 226

    Range checking error:
    Explanation: During neighborsearching, we assign each particle to
    a grid
    based on its coordinates. If your system contains collisions or
    parameter
    errors that give particles very high velocities you might end up
    with some
    coordinates being +-Infinity or NaN (not-a-number). Obviously, we
    cannot
    put these on a grid, so this is usually where we detect those errors.
    Make sure your system is properly energy-minimized and that the
    potential
    energy seems reasonable before trying again.

    Variable ci has value -2147483648 <tel:2147483648>. It should
    have been within [ 0 .. 27744 ]
    Please report this to the mailing list (gmx-users@gromacs.org
    <mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org>)
    -------------------------------------------------------

    "Oh My God ! It's the Funky Shit" (Beastie Boys)

    Halting program mdrun

    You suggested to check if there is any overlapping.

    ... so you need to get out some visualization software and look at
    the transformed structure :)


    There might be as my structure is obtained through a reverse
    transformation from a CG representation. In the mapping the atoms
    are positioned randomly in the bead. Now I'm running some energy
    minimization to equilibrate those atoms. I had to solvate the
    system after the mapping (couldn't do it before due to problems
    with ions)but I haven't equilibrated it yet and I'm keeping it
    fixed which could also be a source of overlapping.

    Local minimization with EM cannot in general take a "random"
    positioning of the generated atoms and make it one that will be
    stable under MD. Some structure knowledge needs to be build into
    the reverse transformation.

    Mark


    Any ideas?
    Thanks.
    Francesca


    2012/2/10 Justin A. Lemkul <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>>



        francesca vitalini wrote:

            I achieve

            Steepest Descents converged to machine precision in 205
            steps,
            but did not reach the requested Fmax < 10.
            Potential Energy  = -1.49131940478719e+07
Maximum force = 1.09664530279637e+06 on atom 1520 (parto of the protein)
            Norm of force     =  2.28369808518165e+06


        The magnitude of the force suggests atomic overlap somewhere.
         Start by investigating the environment around atom 1520.


            and the system looked with vmd doesn't look as if it was
            exploding. However, I have warnings about the table
            extension and I don't know why but gromacs writes pdb
            files sometime. However I thought that there


        The "step.pdb" files are written when mdrun is about to crash.


            might have been an error in the way I defined the
            position restraints, in fact in the mdp file I hade
            define = -DEPOSRE while in the topology I had ifdef
            DEFINE_WAT, so it might have moved it all without fixing
            the water. So I tried again and this time I got


        The "define" statements are literal, so be careful of typos.
         -DEPOSRE will not work when the topology calls for -DPOSRES.
         So unless you've changed default naming for "define"
        statements, you're not going to get what you expect.


            Steepest Descents converged to machine precision in 72 steps,
            but did not reach the requested Fmax < 10.
            Potential Energy  = -2.0135496e+07
            Maximum force     =  2.0486184e+12 on atom 4479
            Norm of force     =  7.2424045e+13


        Again, symptomatic of severe atomic overlap.


            but again the same issue with table extent and still the
            production of pdb files.

            Any explanations?


        Investigate the starting configurations near the problematic
        atoms.

        
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Blowing_Up#Diagnosing_an_Unstable_System

        -Justin


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