MyLinkka wrote:
Hi Justin,

Thanks for your answer!

As far as I understood, the virial expression of pressure has two parts,
the kinetic energy contribution and the potential energy contribution. Even when temperature is undefined or zero, the product of pair force and distance between atoms still contribute to the microscopic pressure tensor. In the EM algorithm, if this pressure tensor is included in the target function to be minimized, it should be able to optimize the box size as well as the atom positions, because the pressure
tensor is a functional of box size.

However, it's good to know that Gromacs is not doing this task. Thanks!


I suppose, in theory, it's possible to use an EM algorithm to optimize a box. But for most systems, like a box filled with solvent, during EM the positions move very little and I'd be willing to bet the box wouldn't even change. I guess it depends on what you're looking to do, but for a system that hasn't even been equilibrated under the desired thermodynamic conditions (with a proper velocity distribution applied to the atoms), I don't see any real value in trying to obtain what you might consider an "optimized" box for a system that is not at equilibrium. The box stabilizes during NPT equilibration.

-Justin

Ting Li


On 12/25/2010 3:41 PM, Justin A. Lemkul wrote:


MyLinkka wrote:
  Yeah! Energy minimization with pressure coupling.
Is this possible?


No. There are no velocities in EM, and hence no kinetic energy, no virial, and thus no pressure coupling.

-Justin

Ting


On 12/24/2010 5:04 AM, Terry wrote:


On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Mark Abraham <mark.abra...@anu.edu.au <mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au>> wrote:

    On 24/12/2010 5:17 AM, MyLinkka wrote:


          Does anybody know if it is possible to optimize the box
          size during an energy minimization in Gromacs?


    Optimize for what criterion?


    Can I make pressure coupling if it's possible?


Do you mean  energy minimization with pressure coupling?

Terry


    Sure, that's in the manual and covered in tutorials.

    Mark


    Is there a workaround if there is no direct way?

    Thanks!

    Ting


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