Lan Hua wrote:
Hi Justin,

I appreciated your quick answers. So if I understand correctly, using constraints = hbonds with the time step of 2fs, it should be fine, right?


Maybe. If your goal is REMD (I'm not clear from your original post) then stability may be an issue at higher temperatures, in which case you may need to constrain all bonds or decrease your time step, maybe both. At ambient temperatures, what you propose is likely stable. Look into the relevant literature for similar force fields and applications to be sure.

-Justin

Thanks,
Lan

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>> wrote:



    Lan Hua wrote:

        Hi Justin,

          Thank you so much for your quick reply and good suggestions.
        The following is my answer.

        On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
        <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>
        <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>>> wrote:



           Lan Hua wrote:

               Hi All,

                    I understand that the error of segmentation fault
        may come
               from many reasons, but I just couldn't figure out the
        reason of
               this error in my simulations.  I want to run md
        simulations with
               explicit water for 20 structures of one domain (residue
        77-148)
               of calmodulin (PDB 1CFC).  These 20 starting structures
        are from
               one REMD simulation in implicit water.  The following is
        what I
               did to run simulations for these 20 structures.  I used
        gromacs
               version 3.1.4 with ffamber ports.  The force field is amber03
               and water model is TIP3P.


           Do you have any particular reason for using software that is
        eight
           years old? You will get a massive performance upgrade with
        4.0.7, as
           well as the ability to use multiple processors per replica.  In
           versions prior to 4.0, you can only use one processor per
        REMD replica.

        The reason that I am using gromacs 3.1.4 is to prepare some
        input files for simulations at fold...@home in which version
        3.1.4 is recommended.

    OK, as long as you've got a reason...




                 1.  get rid of the steric clash in the starting structure


           What do you mean?  Energy minimization?  How did you did do this
           prior to step 2 (generating a topology)?

        I used the "protein preparation wizard" which is implemented in
        maestro package to do this.   Actually in this wizard, energy
        minimization is performed on protein.
                 2.  after doing pdb2gmx, then minimze the protein
                 3,   use "-bt dodecahedron -d 0.9 -c"  in the command
        line of
               editconf
                 4,  after doing genbox, first minimize the water with
        protein
               rigid and then minimize the whole system


           A lot of these steps are redundant and probably unnecessary.
         Some tips:

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Steps_to_Perform_a_Simulation


        Thanks for the tips. I went to the link, but I am still a little
        bit confused about which steps are unnecessary.  You mean step 7
        and step 8?  I did this in case simulations at f...@h would be crashed.

    I just mean the repeated, separate energy minimizations.  I guess
    there's no harm in it, but generally I find that minimizing the
    protein in vacuo, then with and without restraints in solvent, etc.
    is unnecessary.  I'd suggest just building the system (solvent and
    all), and minimizing the whole thing (without restraints).  I don't
    think you stand to gain anything with your procedure.




                 5,  run md simulation with position restraint for protein
               heavy atoms with nose-hoover thermostat for 20ps
                 6,  run NPT simulations with nose-hoover thermostat and
               Parrinello-Rahman thermostat for 500ps
                 7,  run NVT simulation for another 100ps
                 8, then energy minimze the whole system again.

               Every time, there are always "segmentation fault" in step
        6 for
               some starting structures which could be different in
        every try.
                I checked the energy, volume, pressure, temperature, etc for
               the trajectories which are crashed because of segmentation
               fault,  but nothing was wrong.  I roughly checked the
        trajectory
               which looks fine.  I also couldn't find any useful
        information
               from the log file, which looks like the following:


           Using weak coupling (i.e. Berendsen) coupling is generally
           recommended for initial equilibration.  If a system is far from
           equilibrium (as it likely will be after adding patterned
        blocks of
           water with genbox), the N-H thermostat can allow for wild
        changes in
           the temperature of the system, leading to a collapse.

           Your temperature coupling groups are also inappropriate:

           Tcoupl                   = nose-hoover
           tc_grps                  = Protein  SOL  Na
           tau_t                    = 0.1      0.1     0.1

           Never couple solvent and ions separately; it can lead to
        instability:

           http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Thermostats


        These are good suggestions.  Thanks.  So use Berendsen coupling
        for both temperature and pressure coupling for initial
        equilibration, for example position restrained NVT followed by
        NPT, right? I have another


    At least for the thermostat, but yes, probably it can't hurt to use
    weak coupling for both temperature and pressure.


        question.  If I choose constraints = hbonds instead of
        constraints = all-bonds in NPT simulation, what will happen?


    You constrain heavy atom-H bonds instead of all bonds.  Using fewer
    constraints may or may not affect the magnitude of the time step you
    can use, but generally X-H bonds are the highest frequency and thus
    are the least stable with long time steps.

    -Justin


        Best,

        Lan
           -Justin


                         Step           Time         Lambda      Annealing
                       180000      360.00003        0.00000        1.00000

                 Rel. Constraint Deviation:  Max    between atoms     RMS
                     Before LINCS         0.045887     47     48   0.004584
                      After LINCS         0.000020    752    755   0.000003

                 Energies (kJ/mol)
Angle Proper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell. LJ-14 Coulomb-14 2.08335e+03 1.59908e+02 2.95659e+03 1.17109e+03 1.27711e+04
                      LJ (SR)  Disper. corr.   Coulomb (SR)   Coulomb
        (LR)             Potential
4.10779e+04 -1.37728e+03 -2.89916e+05 -5.82443e+04 -2.89318e+05
                  Kinetic En.   Total Energy    Temperature Pressure (bar)
                  5.25584e+04   -2.36759e+05    2.96920e+02   -1.07683e+02

                         Step           Time         Lambda      Annealing
                       185000      370.00003        0.00000        1.00000

                 Rel. Constraint Deviation:  Max    between atoms     RMS
                     Before LINCS         0.052014     70     71   0.005149
                      After LINCS         0.000011    214    215   0.000002

                 Energies (kJ/mol)
Angle Proper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell. LJ-14 Coulomb-14 2.33684e+03 1.42695e+02 2.91169e+03 1.18452e+03 1.28507e+04
                      LJ (SR)  Disper. corr.   Coulomb (SR)   Coulomb
        (LR)             Potential
4.06987e+04 -1.37332e+03 -2.88889e+05 -5.83180e+04 -2.88455e+05
                  Kinetic En.   Total Energy    Temperature

               The *.mdp files are also attached.   Any help will be highly
               appreciated.  Thank you.


               Best,
               Lan


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