Aswathy wrote:
Hi Justin,

I am sorry, i dint understand this point "Your problem was only related to the actual umbrella sampling itself." ? You meant I just want to repeat umbrella sampling only?


Yes. The manner in which you generate the initial configurations on which you will conduct umbrella sampling is quite irrelevant.

In order to further understand that "Distance " problem, May I ask one more question,( please ignore if its a stupid one..)
As Thomas suggested, = is the channel and x the dummy and l the ligand
x l =====
later time
x   ==l==
If this is the case, then there wont be sign problem with "distance", right??? (Once again forgive me if I am wrong, because I know you already put your maximum effort to make me understand this thing)

And if we use a dummy particle, will the movement of that particle will also matter ? How can we fix that?

I think this is a rather complicated approach and you will probably spend a lot of unnecessary time troubleshooting it. It might work, but you don't need it. Your problem is not with the SMD portion of the protocol. Your problem is with umbrella sampling, which is a separate concept.

-Justin

Thank you.
Aswathy

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Thomas Schlesier <schl...@uni-mainz.de <mailto:schl...@uni-mainz.de>> wrote:

    Would it be possible to use a dummy particle near the entrance of
    the channel? = is the channel and x the dummy and l the ligand
    x l =====
    later time
    x   ==l==
    Give the dummy no charge and zero lj-parameters and construt the
    position form the atoms at the entry of the channel.
    I think it will be important that the dummy is farther away from the
    channel then your ligand, else you will get problem with the
    distance geometry (because the distance changes the sign).
    The other important thing is that the box is long enough that the
    distance between the dummy and your ligand is always smaller then
    half the box vector, or else the distance goes wrong.

    (My first idea was to use the entrance area of the channel as the
    reference, but then there would be the problems with the
    sign-changing of the distance -> so the idea with the dummy particle).

    Greetings
    Thomas





    Aswathy wrote:
     > >
     > > Thank you very much for all replies.
     > >
     > > No w I just want to try SMd with geometry type as position .
    But one
     > > thing is still confusing me, ie; reference group.
     > >

    If you have already generated a suitable set of positions from which
    you have
    generated umbrella sampling windows, you do not need to repeat the
    SMD.  Your
    problem was only related to the actual umbrella sampling itself.

     > >  I have the ligand in the solvent (at the mouth of the
     > > channel(extracellular).) Now I want to pull this ligand to the
     > > intracellular solvent through the channel. My understanding is
    that the
     > > reference group should be the in the same direction of the
    channel(ie,
     > > at the intracellular end of the channel), so that if I use
    "position",
     > > the ligand should move towards the reference group (Please
    correct me if
     > > this wrong). i have only solvent at this end(end of the
    channel) . Can I
     > > set water molecules as reference point? or any molecule at this
     > > intracellular end is fine?
     > >

    In theory, you can set whatever you want, but if those water
    molecules diffuse,
    then you're trying to hit a rapidly-moving target!  Always choose a
    relatively
    static part of the structure in the direction you want to pull.

    -Justin

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