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-Justin

Bing Bing wrote:
Dear All,
I 've used steep for minimization for 50000 steps, but it converged in step 217, the final energy is as in previous email.
here's the mdp file for em:-
define = -DFLEXIBLE
integrator = steep
emtol = 1000
emstep = 0.01
nsteps = 50000
rlist = 0.9
coulombtype = PME
rcoulomb = 0.9
fourierspacing = 0.12
rvdw = 0.9
pme_order = 4
ewald_rtol = 1e-5
constraints= none
 As for the NVT, the mdp file is as below:-
define = -DFLEXIBLE ; Run parameters integrator = md nsteps = 50000 dt = 0.002 ; Output control nstxout = 100 nstvout = 100 nstenergy = 100 nstlog = 100 ; Bond parameters continuation = no constraint_algorithm = lincs constraints = all-bonds lincs_iter = 1 lincs_order = 4 ; Neighborsearching ns_type = grid nstlist = 5 rlist = 1.2 rcoulomb = 1.2 rvdw = 1.2 ; Electrostatics coulombtype = PME pme_order = 4 fourierspacing = 0.16 ; Temperature coupling is on tcoupl = berendsen tc-grps = POPC SOL tau_t = 0.1 0.1 ref_t = 300 300 ; Pressure coupling is off
pcoupl          = no            ; no pressure coupling in NVT
; Periodic boundary conditions
pbc             = xyz           ; 3-D PBC
; Dispersion correction
DispCorr = EnerPres ; Velocity generation gen_vel = yes gen_temp = 323 gen_seed = -1 after the NVT, here;s the final energy:-
  Step           Time         Lambda
          50000      100.00000        0.00000

   Rel. Constraint Deviation:  Max    between atoms     RMS
       Before LINCS         0.073930   8799   8801   0.022445
        After LINCS         0.000039   8511   8513   0.000004

   Energies (kJ/mol)
          Angle    Proper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.  Improper Dih.          LJ-14
    2.01361e+04    4.40814e+03    6.33528e+03    7.31363e+02    4.27554e+03
     Coulomb-14        LJ (SR)  Disper. corr.   Coulomb (SR)   Coul. recip.
    1.11735e+04   -1.01156e+04   -1.71631e+03   -1.65763e+05   -1.19549e+05
      Potential    Kinetic En.   Total Energy    Temperature Pressure (bar)
   -2.50084e+05    3.86207e+04   -2.11463e+05    3.03028e+02   -3.63528e+02

as for the NPT, i ve used semiisotropic coupling for the pressure. Here's my nvt.mdp:-

define = -DFLEXIBLE ; Run parameters integrator = md nsteps = 500000 dt = 0.002 ; Output control nstxout = 100 nstvout = 100 nstenergy = 100 nstlog = 100 ; Bond parameters continuation = yes constraint_algorithm = lincs constraints = all-bonds lincs_iter = 1 lincs_order = 4 ; Neighborsearching ns_type = grid nstlist = 5 rlist = 1.2 rcoulomb = 1.2 rvdw = 1.2 ; Electrostatics coulombtype = PME pme_order = 4 fourierspacing = 0.16 ; Temperature coupling is on tcoupl = Nose-Hoover tc-grps = POPC SOL tau_t = 0.1 0.1 ref_t = 300 300 ; Pressure coupling is on pcoupl = Parrinello-Rahman pcoupltype = semiisotropic tau_p = 5.0 ref_p = 1.0 1.0 compressibility = 4.5e-5 4.5e-5 ; Periodic boundary conditions pbc = xyz ; Dispersion correction
DispCorr        = EnerPres      ;
; Velocity generation
gen_vel         = no            ;

it stopped at step 269 due to LINC warning as mentioned in the previous mail.
Step 269, time 0.538 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
max inf (between atoms 1980 and 1981) rms inf
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

I ve checked the trajectory and the gap or space between both lipid layers is about 5 A away after the nvt simulation.
Please advice.

Regards,
bing




On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:37 PM, <shaya...@post.tau.ac.il <mailto:shaya...@post.tau.ac.il>> wrote:

    Greetings,

    Could you perhaps provide details of your energy minimization
    (conjugated? steep? etc.) and perhaps your mdp file for the
    simulation as well.
    What kind of pressure couplings did you use? (isotropic?
    semi-isotropic? etc.)
    How much further away did each layer move?

    I think it is usually recommended to simulate membranes with
    semi-isotropic pressure coupling, though I am not sure what is the
    cause of the error you are getting with NPT and LINCS.

    Regards,
    -Shay


    Quoting "Bing Bing" <jarbin...@gmail.com <mailto:jarbin...@gmail.com>>:

        Dear All,
        I'm simulating a empty membrane (128POPC + 2460 water) , the
        structure
        obtained from Tielemen's website.
        Thanks for the help from Justin and Mark, the structure had
        minimized and
        stop at 217steps

        Energies (kJ/mol)
                  Bond          Angle    Proper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.
         Improper Dih.
5.20262e+03 1.01146e+04 4.17230e+03 3.36598e+03 7.50236e+02 LJ-14 Coulomb-14 LJ (SR) Coulomb (SR) Coul. recip. 4.01104e+03 8.22333e+03 -1.49543e+04 -1.31978e+05 -1.41296e+05
             Potential    Kinetic En.   Total Energy    Temperature
        Pressure (bar)
-2.52387e+05 0.00000e+00 -2.52387e+05 0.00000e+00 0.00000e+00


        Steepest Descents converged to Fmax < 1000 in 217 steps
        Potential Energy  = -2.52387473541938e+05
        Maximum force     =  9.30404466610315e+02 on atom 5631
        Norm of force     =  5.34591310731597e+03

        The trajectory and energy seems ok.

        With this, i proceed with NVT, although by looking at the energy and
        temperature (300K) graph after NVT both looks fine. But when i
        tried to look
        at the trajectory, i noticed that the upper layer lipid and
        lower layer
        lapid actually moved further away from each other as compared to the
        starting structure. And i don't know what cause this to happen.
        Please
        advice.
        Subsequently, i moved on with NPT and it stopped due to LINCS
        warning as
        below:-

        Step 269, time 0.538 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
        relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
        max inf (between atoms 1980 and 1981) rms inf
        bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

        This mean that some of the atoms in the structure is moving and
        it is out of
        the cutt-off which being defined, it also said that it might due
        to the
        reason that the starting structure is not equilibrated or many
        overlaps. But
        as what i know,
        the structure is well equilibrated. What is the reason for this?
        Is it
        something which i missed out during NVT or NPT? Please advice.


        Regards,
        Bing



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