Roland Nagtegaal wrote:
> I'm not talking about politics, I want GGI to succeed in Linux as much as anyone
> of you. It's just common sense that right now, graphics on Linux means X.
common sense doesn't necessarily reflect reality ;)
> Therefore: improve on X.
nobody is against that.
> First: several initiatives exist to solve the major issues in X.
> (slow rendering, no antialiasing, fonts bad etc.)
> Read the following two links:
both of these ideas are based on extensions, they are not part of X.
And they don't implement things in a straight forward, clean way, as
they have to bear twenty years of legacy.
> and then there is the new console system for Linux by James Simmons.
what does this have to do with X ?
> Second: There is no desktop (non-server like apache etc.) software for
> Linux except for X Window. Linux would never ever have come where it is
> today if it couldn't already run existing UNIX and X Window software.
fair enough.
> It is really cool that things like Berlin are being developed, but there
> is no software for it. No office tools, no scientific software, no games,
> nothing but a couple of proof of concept programs.
so what ? If you ride on this kind of arguments, there is no evolution at all.
Each architecture, however clean and powerful, gets aged. No-one questions
the power of X, in its context. But things evolve, hardware has become *much*
more powerful, we have learned a lot from X and the culture evolving around it.
Why shouldn't we try something new, based on that knowledge ?
> If you read those two links, you can see that at least some XFree people
> also understand the limitations of X, like you do, and want to fix it.
There is no doubt, that all but the most narrow minded people understand the
limitations of X. The question is *how* to fix it.
> I think that GGI will only get big if it can provide a much faster X server
> (say 400% speedup or so) than XFree with their current model can.
I totally disagree.
> (Ok, maybe GGI could get big in other devices like webpads, handhelds etc.
> but I'm talking about desktop Linux now)
>
> That new Xserver should include smooth and very fast 3D OpenGL graphics,
> based on GGI, or there wouldn't really be a point.
Do you really understand the X protocol ? How does the openGL architecture
fit in there ? Not at all ! It's a totally different kind of animal. So both
have to coexist. That's fine. It's just wrong to tie them together, or even to
call it an 'X extension'.
Regards, Stefan
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Stefan Seefeld
Departement de Physique
Universite de Montreal
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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