It is worth pointing out to students that there has been a great deal of
discussion post AR4 on this issue. In particular, there has been
interesting work and very influential work by Meinhausen et. al. 2009 in
Nature articulating the challenge in terms of stocks of carbon rather than
flows - a carbon "budget". This formulation computes the number of tons of
carbon that we can collectively emit from now until 2050 in order to stay
below 450ppm. The political challenge under this construct is  to figure
out a budget allocation for each country, and then a subsequent trajectory
of emissions for each country that correspond to that budget. But once the
budget is set, there are many possible trajectories of flows that countries
could aim for; the important outcome is the area under the emissions curve,
or the contribution to stock.

What I find interesting about this formulation, which will almost certainly
get a lot of prominence in AR5, is that it speaks to the different
political implications of alternative scientific formulations. The budget
formulation is more correct scientifically (what matters for CC is stocks,
not flows), and changes the framing of the allocation question from
formulations such as "peaking year" and annual emissions to allocations of
an overall budget. Also, lends itself to factoring in historical emissions
and introduces an additional complexity of deciding a starting year (1860 =
pre industrial; 1970, 1990, 2000, the present etc.). I do not know if an
explicit budget formulation will be the basis for negotiation going
forward, but it has already certainly been introduced by the BASIC
countries at Durban.

>From a pedagogical point of view, making explicit the political
implications of stock vs flow articulations, and the strategic dimensions
of alternative scientific formulations may be useful.

I realize this goes a bit beyond the question being posed, but I think all
this is an important update to that question.

Navroz.

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Ronald Mitchell <[email protected]>wrote:

> A propos of this discussion, here is a slide from my Intro-IR climate
> lecture that shows not only the levels Rado is mentioning but has the added
> bonus of being really depressing, since it shows that this is a level of 2
> tons per person and that China is already averaging double that (though
> those Americans on the list are proud to say we are doing 5x that).****
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> Depends on the temperature target: To keep global temperature rise below 2
> degrees C, carbon-equivalent atmospheric concentrations must be kept below
> 450 ppm - which can be achieved by reducing emissions by 25-40% by 2020.
> The latter range is in the 2007 IPCC report and was the policy target
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