Hi Christian,
Not quite an expert just spent too much time getting annoyed with Oracle GR!
In answer to your questions below:
1) This method they are using a table, creating a LOB Locator and passing the
LOB Locator to the function - this is still using the temp tablespace, but when
you commit the change to the table, it will clear the temp.
2) Unfortunately not as we need to return the BLOB to the java code, if we
freeTemporary before we return, we will get a blank image.
There is however, a way around this. The plugin I created, has two types of
retrieval of georaster - one similar to yours using export to - the only
limitation here is image size (I think max export is 64MB) and native (declared
in config file). The native works brilliantly has no issues with creating or
freeing temp space and performs really well - we have had it in production now
for 6 months without any issues. Only problem is you need to bring some libs
from your oracle db home to the geoserver web-inf/lib.
The exportTo method which we can use in our plugin is based on your code,
except I placed the create and free temp methods using java calls - and there
is also an After Logon trigger which needs to be created against the oracle
schema user that will use the raster data. Here is a snippet of how we are
doing the exportTo:
oracle.sql.BLOB blob = null;
.......
String StmtTemplateExport = "declare " + "gr sdo_georaster; " + "lb blob; " +
"begin "
+ "dbms_lob.createTemporary(lb,false,DBMS_LOB.CALL); "
+ "select a.%s into gr from %s a where a.%s.rasterid = ?; "
+ "sdo_geor.exportTo(gr, ?, '%s', lb); " + "?:=lb; "
+ "end; ";
.......
blob = (BLOB)callablestatement.getBlob(3);
........
blob.freeTemporary();
The trigger needs to be something like this:
create or replace
TRIGGER RASTER_LOGON
AFTER LOGON ON DATABASE
DECLARE
sqlstr VARCHAR2(200) := 'alter session set events ''60025 trace name context
forever''';
BEGIN
if ( user = 'RASTER' )
then
execute immediate sqlstr;
end if;
END RASTER_LOGON;
This is probably a good enough reason to have just one geoR plugin!
Hope I haven't confused anyone even more!
Cheers,
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 07 September 2011 12:45
To: Steve Way
Cc: Harikumar Reddy; Simone Giannecchini; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Geoserver-users] Geoserver 2.1.0 stops very frequently
Yep, I see.
Steve, as you are an expert in the mean time I have 2 questions.
Looking here
http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/E11882_01/appdev.112/e11827/geor_ref.htm#autoId12
1)
I see some samples for exportTo without calling createTemporary. Would this
work in our case ?
2)
Looking at function getRasterData, I see an example
DECLARE
gr sdo_georaster;
lb blob;
BEGIN
SELECT georaster INTO gr FROM georaster_table WHERE georid=2;
dbms_lob.createTemporary(lb, FALSE);
sdo_geor.getRasterData(gr, 0, lb, 'compress=JPEG-F');
dbms_lob.freeTemporary(lb);
END;
Is it possible to call freeTemporary when using exportTo instead of
getRasterData ?
Some confusion here on my side :-)
Zitat von Steve Way <[email protected]>:
> Actually it is not an Oracle *Issue* as such but more as design.
>
> When I first discovered this issue (when designing the GeoRaster
> Plugin), I spent a lot of time trying to figure it out. It all
> comes down to two functions called: createTemporary() and
> freeTemporary().
>
> Christian, you will see from your code, that you are calling the
> createTemporary() in your callable statement, but not the
> freeTemporary(). With a callable statement like this, you cannot
> call the freeTemporary() as you would need to do this AFTER you have
> retrieved the blob from Oracle, and as with java, PL/SQL you are
> unable to call a function after a return.
>
> Therefore, the only way to do this is use the Oracle Spatial Java
> API to createTemporary and freeTemporary against an Oracle BLOB type.
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 06 September 2011 14:18
> To: Harikumar Reddy
> Cc: Simone Giannecchini; [email protected]; Steve
> Way
> Subject: Re: [Geoserver-users] Geoserver 2.1.0 stops very frequently
>
> Hmmm, I would say you are sitting on a time bomb because there is a
> good chance that the temp space becomes full again.
>
> Do you have a support contract with Oracle giving you the
> possibility to open a ticket.
>
> @Steve, do you have the possibility to open a ticket
>
> I fear that this problem will reoccur many times in the future.
>
> Christian
>
>
> Zitat von Harikumar Reddy <[email protected]>:
>
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> Thankyou for georaster oracle function url. Yesterday, our oracle
>> admin has not restarted the database after temporary table space
>> creation. He has restarted the database today. I think now geoserver
>> is working fine., but i can only confirm myself about the geoserver
>> consistency by observing till this weekend.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hari.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:58 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Some additional Info.
>>>
>>> Here is the Oracle Function causing the problem
>>> http://download.oracle.com/**docs/cd/E11882_01/appdev.112/**
>>> e11827/geor_ref.htm#CHEDHBII<http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/E118
>>> 8 2_01/appdev.112/e11827/geor_ref.htm#CHEDHBII>
>>>
>>> Geoserver uses this function to export the image into a BLOB.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>> Zitat von Harikumar Reddy <[email protected]>:
>>>
>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>
>>>> Thankyou for response. Oracle admin freed up oracle temporary table
>>>> space (when they checked free space was zero kb as you have
>>>> expected) and created new temporary table space also., but it didnt
>>>> corrected geoserver problem.
>>>>
>>>> we may need to do R & D and observe the results, from image
>>>> processing & oracle side (with oracle admin).
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Hari.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:53 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hari, I am not working with Oracle, as a consequence I have
>>>> less
>>>>> experience, but:
>>>>>
>>>>> creating an extra Oracle table space is ok, the question was if
>>>>> the table space was full at the moment geoserver refuses work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was it ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If the temp tablespace is full then we have the reason but no solution.
>>>>> You
>>>>> have to open an oracle ticket because this seems to be an Oracle problem.
>>>>> Of
>>>>> course I can assist you in describing the situation since I
>>>>> developed the georaster plugin.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Zitat von Harikumar Reddy <[email protected]>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our oracle admin has created oracle temporary table space, but
>>>>>> still this problem exists. Any further investigation i need to
>>>>>> do...Please advise me, if you have any idea...The geoserver error
>>>>>> is not specific to the problem in log file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanking you,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Hari.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:38 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, I examined your log file and there is nothing special. There
>>>>>> is only
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> one exception which has nothing to do with our problem here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another user, Steve Way had similar problems and did investigations.
>>>>>>> Look
>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>> http://osgeo-org.1803224.n2.******nabble.com/Question-about-****
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> http://nabble.com/Question-**about-**<http://nabble.com/Question
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> about-**>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GeoServer-or-GeoTools-support-******for-Oracle-Spatial-****
>>>>>>> td6283994.**html<
>>>>>>> http://osgeo-**org.1803224.n2.**nabble.com/**Question-about-**
>>>>>>> GeoServer-or-*<http://org.1803224.n2.nabble.com/**Question-about
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> GeoServer-or-*>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *GeoTools-support-for-Oracle-****Spatial-td6283994.html<http:/**
>>>>>>> /osgeo-org.1803224.n2.nabble.**com/Question-about-GeoServer-**
>>>>>>> or-GeoTools-support-for-**Oracle-Spatial-td6283994.html<http://o
>>>>>>> s
>>>>>>> geo-org.1803224.n2.nabble.com/Question-about-GeoServer-or-GeoToo
>>>>>>> l s-support-for-Oracle-Spatial-td6283994.html>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The important fact:
>>>>>>> It seems that Oracle uses its temporary table space to create
>>>>>>> the image.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately it does not release this space afterwards and as a
>>>>>>> consequence, the temporary table space reaches its limit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please do the following:
>>>>>>> Wait for the next geoserver stop and have an Oracle admin ready
>>>>>>> to look at the temporary table space. If it is filled up we may
>>>>>>> have found the reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Zitat von Harikumar Reddy <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Simone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have imported raster data into oracle spatial 11g r2 as
>>>>>>>> georaster and configured with ImageMosaicJDBC plugin datastore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Geoserver version is 2.1.0.
>>>>>>>> - Connections: 5
>>>>>>>> - GeoServer RAM 4GB
>>>>>>>> - JAI Memory 1GB
>>>>>>>> - Environment : Linux Cent OS
>>>>>>>> - Dervlet container : Tomcat 6.0
>>>>>>>> - deployment environment : Springsource TCserver environment
>>>>>>>> - Database : Oracle spatial 11g R2
>>>>>>>> - Raster images type : Georaster (SPOT images)
>>>>>>>> - Jai & Jai Image IO are still showing false even after
>>>>>>>> successful installation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am a pure geotechnician, so i have less knowledge on hardware
>>>>>>>> configuration side. Please let me know, if you need any other
>>>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanking you,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Hari.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Simone Giannecchini <
>>>>>>>> simone.giannecchini@geo-****solu**tions.it
>>>>>>>> <http://solutions.it>< simone.giannecchini@**geo-**solutions.it
>>>>>>>> <http://geo-solutions.it><
>>>>>>>> simone.**[email protected]<simone.giannecchini@geo-
>>>>>>>> s
>>>>>>>> olutions.it>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ciao Hari,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would need to know a bit more about how you configured this
>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> about the server config otherwiser I would be alone in the dark.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Simone Giannecchini
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------******-------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Ing. Simone Giannecchini
>>>>>>>>> GeoSolutions S.A.S.
>>>>>>>>> Founder
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Via Poggio alle Viti 1187
>>>>>>>>> 55054 Massarosa (LU)
>>>>>>>>> Italy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> phone: +39 0584 962313
>>>>>>>>> fax: +39 0584 962313
>>>>>>>>> mob: +39 333 8128928
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.geo-solutions.it
>>>>>>>>> http://geo-solutions.blogspot.******com/<http://geo-solutions.
>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>> blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> <http://geo-solutions.**blogspot.com/<http://geo-solutions.blo
>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>> spot.com/>
>>>>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>>>>> t
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>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------******-------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Harikumar Reddy
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > Hi Simone,
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Thankyou for quick reply.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I am working directly in production environment (only for
>>>>>>>>> imageries).
>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> > need to inform client priorly. If newer version will surely
>>>>>>>>> > solve
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> > problem, then i can request them. For checking locally, we
>>>>>>>>> > dont
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> > imageries with us. We are working through secured gateways.
>>>>>>>>> > I
>>>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>>> > observed this problem before in 2.0.2 version. I have
>>>>>>>>> > configured
>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>> 110
>>>>>>>>> > GB SPOT imageries 2 months before (now also i have to remove
>>>>>>>>> > old
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> > configure same area with updated imageries). Any work around
>>>>>>>>> > is
>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Could you please suggest me that is it caused due to memory
>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>> > (hardware side or geoserver side). From logs URI not
>>>>>>>>> > receiving
>>>>>>>>> error
>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> > seen...but i need to investigate this problem.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>>>>>> > Hari.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Simone Giannecchini
>>>>>>>>> > <simone.giannecchini@geo-****sol**utions.it
>>>>>>>>> ><http://solutions.it <
>>>>>>>>> simone.giannecchini@**geo-**solutions.it
>>>>>>>>> <http://geo-solutions.it><
>>>>>>>>> simone.**[email protected]<simone.giannecchini@geo
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> solutions.it>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Ciao Hari,
>>>>>>>>> >> quick suggestion since we fixed a few glitches with raster
>>>>>>>>> >> data in 2,1.0, can you try to upgrade to 2.1.1 or even to
>>>>>>>>> >> 2.1.x nightly
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> >> then check this issues again?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> >> Simone Giannecchini
>>>>>>>>> >> ------------------------------******-----------------------
>>>>>>>>> >> -
>>>>>>>>> >> -
>>>>>>>>> >> Ing. Simone Giannecchini
>>>>>>>>> >> GeoSolutions S.A.S.
>>>>>>>>> >> Founder
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Via Poggio alle Viti 1187
>>>>>>>>> >> 55054 Massarosa (LU)
>>>>>>>>> >> Italy
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> phone: +39 0584 962313
>>>>>>>>> >> fax: +39 0584 962313
>>>>>>>>> >> mob: +39 333 8128928
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> http://www.geo-solutions.it
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> http://geo-solutions.blogspot.******com/<http://geo-solutio
>>>>>>>>> >> n
>>>>>>>>> >> s.**
>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>> blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> <http://geo-solutions.**blogspot.com/<http://geo-solutions.blo
>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>> spot.com/>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> http://twitter.com/simogeo
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> ------------------------------******-----------------------
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>>>>>>>>> >> -
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Harikumar Reddy <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > Hari
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
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