Hi Vaeth,
on Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 07:54:43PM +0200, you wrote:
> > I don't even see why you'd strictly need connection tracking to avoid
> > attacks made possible by grossly misconfigured ISP routers. Your router
> > knows that packets with a destination address of 10/8, 192.168/16 and
> > the like have absolutely no business on the public internet so the only
> > sensible behavior would be to just drop them.
> 
> This also requires a special kind of router: Namely one which has a
> physical way of distinguishing between the "dangerous" connection to
> the net and your local network (if they are dynamic, this can also
> sometimes be tricked). Of course, combined router/modems have this
> separation practically "by definition".

I can only recall one router where this wasn't the case, my first weird
and wonderful DSL line in the Philippines :D Normally, why bother
routing if you can just physically connect the thwo networks and have
their traffic intermix?

> However, in any case it requires that the functionality you mention is
> implemented on the router and has no bugs and that the router cannot
> be compromised by other means.

Sure, if your router is compromised you're fuxx0red anyway. I was just
saying that in any halfway sane router these NAT problems are not an
issue. And with many routers running Linux today so you can even get a
shell and check iptables... :)

cheers,
        Matthias
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