On 9/19/06, Alon Keren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I'm not sure why you want to do this or what your line of
> reasoning is. A stage 1 gentoo install is very similar to
> building LFS, except that you don't have to type './configure
> && make && sudo make install' 300 times. Well, conceptually
> similar at least.
>
> The whole point of LFS is to do it by hand and see how it all
> works at an even lower level than gentoo provides. You could
> use portage to automate the LFS build process, but then you end
> up with essentially a clone of gentoo. I say this as someone
> who has built an LFS as a learning exercise then moved on to
> gentoo for pragmatic reasons.
>
> Perhaps if you explained why you want to try this and especially
> what you want to accomplish, then we can advise you better.
>
My aim is to have the ability to regularly build and maintain
completely customized Linux systems. I simply don't want to be
dependent - at any stage - on the whims or habits of a distribution.
While LFS allows me to build a completely customized Linux system, it
takes, as you say, a lot of time and effort to build a single one.
Also, it offers nothing in the sense of package-management.
So, what I'm looking for is something to automate the LFS
build-process and to do it under some system of package-management.
Portage seemls likely to meet those needs.
;) You described Gentoo! So I would suggest: "Install Gentoo". Try it,
you'll find that the "whims or habits of a distribution" in Gentoo
means flexibility and choices, and that appears what you're looking
for...
From what I read about stage1 and stage2, they both come as is, which
is somewhat problematic for my needs (for examle, if I want to use one
version of gcc instead of another). Even if stage1 is used 'out of the
box', some mechanism should be in place in order to build a new system
on a chroot environment, no?
With stage1, you build your system "from scratch" including bootstrap,
in fact, having a stage3 rebuild will have the same effect, only that
you'll have a running system while you compile... Stage1 provides a
basic system, from what you'll start your own system.
The ROOT variable is probably a major part of the solution, but is it
enough? I've also found '/usr/portage/scripts/bootstrap.sh', which
seems suspiciously relevant, but comes with little external
documentation.
What you need is simply portage, wich is the very heart of Gentoo, and
you also want some sort of package management, wich is portage. From
what you described, you want Gentoo...
>
> > Please CC me your replies as I'm not subscribed to messages
> > from this list
>
> Nope. Asking that is exceptionally rude. I wade through 200+
> messages per day looking for places I can assist others. The
> least you can do is subscribe to the list like everyone else
> (and how did you manage to post without a subscription?), and
> download the same looking for replies to your question.
> Besides, the answers you get might help someone else.
I'm sorry that you find my request rude. I would rather not go through
200 messages every day if I could help it, and I personally don't find
it too troublesome to add an address to the CC line. Replying to the
list and having me as CC will obviously not prevent others to take
place in the discussion or read it later on as reference.
At any case, I would look in online archives to search for any
messages which haven't reached me.
Alon
PS.
Please CC me your replies as I'm not subscribed to messages from this list
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