On Friday 11 August 2006 11:22, Hamish Marson wrote:
> Dale wrote:
> > Mike Williams wrote:
> >> On Thursday 03 August 2006 19:27, James wrote:
> >>> The simplist solution is NOBODY puts a 240 VAC power supply
> >>> into a computer unless it's going to draw some serious current
> >>> (amps) thus by the nature of it being 240 VAC, you already know
> >>>  it is a power hog.
> >>
> >> Now, I'm not electrical engineer, but I know my way around a fuse
> >> board and electricity having fitted out both our new offices for
> >> power, network, and some walls.
> >>
> >> In the UK, and most (if not all) of Europe, Africa, and Asia too,
> >> run on about 240 volts, 230 +-10% I think now. Pretty much the
> >> whole world, except the Americas.
> >
> > Well, the USA has the same coming in too.  We have 220v to 240v
> > coming in but that is split into different legs for the 110v to
> > 120v stuff.
>
> Unless those two legs are in phase, you're still only getting
> 110V-120V AC. IIRC (And it's from 20 years ago I'm working here) it's
> not, it's just two legs of the 3 phase generated power. Which means
> they're 120 deg out of phase, and so you still only get 110-120V. In
> order to get 220-240V, you'd need 3 phase power.

Safer to use a transformer 110V-220V which will lessen the danger of 
playing with two or three live wires, a misconnection can cause an 
outage with all sorts of problems generated, died disks and other 
apparatus.

> I suspect you get two 110V lines because of current limitations. Not
> to provide you with 220V which you'r enot going to get from just
> adding two out of phase lines. (Unless of course the US has wired up
> two in-phase separate 110V lines. In which case you can get 220V
> outof it, but I seem to remember a lecture in Eng Sci saying it was
> common to take 2 of 3 phases to a house in the US & alternate which 2
> between successive houses.
>
> > If you are using transformers to reduce it from 220v to 110v, that
> > will waste some energy right there.  Transformers are not real
> > efficient.  If you touch it and it is warm, that is what you are
> > wasting.  That will also make whatever you are cooling with work
> > harder too.
>
> Plus you need twice the current at 110V vs 220V. (Volts are big 'V'
> BTW! Named after Voltaire). 

Sorry, the french writer Voltaire was not dabbling in science. It was 
Alessandro Guiseppe Antonio Volta who detected the reaction of 
different metals on the muscles of a hindlegs of a frog and build the 
first electric battery from that detection.

> This means higher line losses as loss is proportional to current.
> Higher line losses mean that cable length becomes more of a problem.
> (A 10V drop in 240V is less than 5%. 10V drop in 120V is almost 10%.
> Much more significant).   
>
> All-in-all I prefer 240V single phase.
>

So do I, although in itself that voltage is deadly
-- 
Herman Grootaers
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