On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <SNIP> > (DISCLAIMER: Let me start off by saying that this is truly not a flame but > more of a concern. So please do not flame me for stating my > opinions/concerns.) <SNIP>
Understood. I certainly didn't take it that way. > > I have been an avid Gentoo User for 2 and 1/2 years now. About the same as me. <SNIP> > In the past I > have always leaned toward ~x86 (I love bleeding edge). But since this was > going to be a new install I decided to do the preferred method and set all > ~x86 flags via /etc/portage/package.keywords for specific packages. Right. > > Now since we have the background we will get to the questions at hand. > During this install I have run into nothing but problems. <SNIP> ... with a slight modification I am using LVM2 for /usr /usr/portage > /opt /var /tmp /home (I figured I would take advantage of some setuid > security procedures). Part way through the online handbook I noticed that > they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the developers > thought it was best to use a Stage3 install then why not give it a shot. So > I installed everything according to the handbook and all went well until I > restarted. Yes, but I've done FC installs that did the same thing. It's not limited to Gentoo. <BIG SNIP --- IT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE> > > So now I am waiting for the whole system to recompile using ~x86 (the so > called "Unstable" packages) and I will see if that works or not. Bummer. The Gentoo install is a lot of work. To completely restart is painful. Was there really no other option? I don't remember you asking about this. Did I miss it? > > I am seriously reconsidering finding another OS to use, this whole headache > has been totally ridiculous. I could see this if I would have emerged all > of the unstable packages to begin with or even perform a Stage1 install > after the developers decided to make the Stage3 the default. But I didn't I > did everything according to the documentation (and I triple checked that I > did not skip anything). > > So with all of this said if the developers do not start testing everything a > little more thoroughly then I predict there will be a serious drop in the > number of Gentoo Followers out there. Especially if a Gentoo Veteren has > this hard of a time installing the operating system that I love. In some ways I agree. I have an AMD64 machine (I'm writing you from it) that has a LOT of packages as ~amd64 to make it usable. I recognize that this is newer hardware and I expected this would be required, but recently I've noticed portage getting hinky about ~x86 vs. ~amd64. My /etc/postage/package.use file is getting weird trying to keep up. Portage is trying to downgrade things that are marked ~x86. I change them to ~amd64 and it lets me keep them. Something feels wrong about that. But at least my system works. (mostly...) I have no complaints. Just concerns... > > When a branch is marked stable all of the packages in that branch should > work, yes there will always be configuration glitches but the problems I > have had during this install were not from configuration glitches. They are > what looks like incompatible packages and numerous other things. If Gentoo > is going to continue to grow then we as a community need to speak up about > things like this. > Well, yes and no. I don't think that 'stable' is the same as 'guaranteed'. None the less I agree with what I think is the sentiment of your statement. In some of the online polls it seems that Gentoo's popularity has dropped a bit lately. Personally I'm more and more impressed with it every day. It's only been on my AMD64 machine that I've seen many issues. I will admit that I have a big concern about an upcoming MySQL update that is probably going to break my whole TV network here. Due to my fear I haven't upgraded MySQL and will likely come back ranting myself sometime in December when I'm probably forced to do it. We'll see... ;-) Best of luck getting the problems worked out. cheers, Mark -- [email protected] mailing list
