On 2025-12-21, Dale wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: >> On 2025-12-19, Dale wrote: [...] >>> I use Seamonkey. The email part is supposed to be like Thunderbird. >>> It's not. Seamonkey used to be a really good piece of software. >>> Firefox and Chrome has basically taken all the users away. Most >>> websites won't even load anymore. I mostly use it for email and the >>> Gentoo website. I'm a HTML guy here. ;-) >>> >>> Still, Seamonkey is going to die one day. I really need to switch. >> While I can't say I'm unbiased on this topic, I'd say currently it'll be >> worth to wait and postpone a full switch. Frg has been working on the >> WIP branch and when that work is done, that should handle at least a >> chunk of those JS features frameworks are adopting everywhere. (It >> should also make it easier to backport more changes, that were made on >> top of more recent mozilla codebases.) >> >> BTW, 2.53.23 will work with Google reCaptcha again. Nighlies already >> do. The 2.53.23 release is waiting for infrastructure changes that are >> taking place. >> >> >> (I personally use both SeaMonkey Mail&News and Gnus. I tend to do >> netnews (including this list via Gmane) on Gnus out of habit and because >> Emacs can run outside of X11 (while I don't have the terminal connected >> and in use right now, that was one reason for this). Part of e-mail gets >> handled through SeaMonkey Mail&News, including two Microsoft accounts >> with OAuth2.) >> > > > According to Matt, Seamonkey has been last-rited. Will that change > anything? I don't track Seamonkey so not sure what Frg is or anything. > I just know that the software has been going downhill for a while.
The last-riting doesn't have much to do with SeaMonkey itself not being updated or having any issues, just about it currently requiring Python 3.11 to build on Gentoo. Nothing beyond that. https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/commit/?id=bb7a26d4919296f4de238529f8f93d3217ae56bd https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=929878 Frg is one of the SeaMonkey developers. I'd argue SeaMonkey hasn't been going downhill, sadly more and more webapp frameworks have started using syntax-breaking features or even just non-syntax-breaking newer features with no proper fallback, and there's a small number of JS features whose support is taking more time to backport. Hopefully once those features are in, things will be much better again. But yes, this means until then sites using these frameworks might refuse to load/render/work. > Just trying to figure out if I need to make this switch real soon or > not. Seamonkey was buried in the post and I missed it. I had to go dig > for it. Until compatibility with newer versions of Python3 is added to SeaMonkey's build system, it will depend on whether it will become impossible to use Python 3.11 to build SeaMonkey on Gentoo. (It probably won't help that the last-riting period coincides with the holiday season.) -- Nuno Silva
