Hello, Dale. On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 13:44:36 -0500, Dale wrote: > Jack wrote: > > On 2024.08.23 12:21, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> I'm a bit fed up with all of this. It's a new machine, but the > >> motherboard, an MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi, has been around a fair while and > >> bugs in its BIOS ought to have been fixed by now.
> > Just because the latest available BIOS might have fixed a problem does > > not mean the physical mobo you bought actually has the latest BIOS > > installed. Have you checked, just to be compulsively certain? > > I say that because not too many years ago, I bought an MSI mobo and > > Ryzen CPU (from the same vendor) and I ended up having to buy (eBay) > > an older CPU just to boot the machine so I could update the BIOS to > > one which could handle the new CPU, because the installed BIOS was too > > old. > When I built my new rig, one of the first things I did after making sure > it wasn't bad out of the box, update the BIOS. Mine was like 2 or 3 > versions behind. It booted and all but I did update anyway, just to > prevent weirdness later. Turns out I had enough weirdness with a old > monitor so I needed to rid myself of some for sure. With my current system (from 2017), I bought a new Ryzen processor and MB just as soon as I could find somebody with stock to sell. The MB was in a disgusting state, not being fit for its purpose. It crashed withing two minutes of booting up, just in the BIOS. Its programmers were clearly working to a deadline, rather than to QA structures. Thankfully, I knew to update the BIOS, which I did, after which the system ran more or less stably. Except for that bug in the early Ryzen chips which led to a sporadic segfault when building software. I could have swapped the processor for a debugged one, but with all the hassle of taking my new machine to pieces again, I never got round to it. I've not made the same mistake with my newest system - although there's a new generation of AMD chips just out, I've stuck with the previous generation, hoping I'll not need to go through the same palaver again. Though it's looking like there's at least one bug in my MB. :-( Maybe I'm going to have to update its BIOS anyway. But we'll see what MSI's technical support say to my support request, first. > I might add, I had to do the same thing on my old system when I first > built it. I'm not sure on my very first rig. I think newer mobos will > update now even without a CPU. At least mine seems claims that anyway. I believe that is the case, yes. Hopefully, they'll update even with a CPU installed. ;-) > Dale > :-) :-) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
