Am Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 02:39:26PM -0500 schrieb Philip Webb: > After > 6 years , I'm planning to build a new machine ANB6.
Ah, the endorphin rush of planning a new PC. :) My PC is now 7½ years old. I’m starting to think to upgrade its i5-4590 to a Ryzen, too. Was thinking of holding out for the new 7000 generation with its powerful RDNA2 graphics, but alas, it’s infested with Microsoft Pluton. So now I can’t decide what to do. > Here's the list + a few comments ; '*' denotes presently prefered item : > > ANB6 > > [ CPU : not much difference, but comments very welcome. ----------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ On the contrary, they are quite different, all three of them. See below. > I've had good luck with AMD in the past, less so with Intel ] > > 220208 CPU AMD : CPAMD00131 : Ryzen 7 : 5700G : 8-core 16-thread : $ 388 > Socket AM4 : 3,8 / 4,6 GHz : Radeon Graphix Wreath Stealth If you don’t do games, the 5700G will make you not require a dedicated graphics card (the G is for graphics). Apropos: I recently read a news article that AMD is going to include a small integrated graphics unit into all of their chips in the future, much like Intel has done until now. That iGPU will be about as powerful as a my i5’s from 2015 (around 0.4 Tflops). So if you can wait for the next generation, maybe that’s another option. > 00055 : Ryzen 7 : 3700X : 7 nm : 8-core 16-thread : $ 400 > Socket AM4 : 3,6 / 4,4 GHz That’s a Zen 2 chip. Are you sure you want an already outdated CPU for a machine that is to last many years? On Gentoo even? Especially for that price. > * 00110 : Ryzen 7 : 5800X : ZEN 3 : 7 nm : 8-core 16-thread : $ 460 > Socket AM4 : 3,8 / 4,7 GHz boost That’s the most powerful of the three, but also the most power hungry one. The 5700G is a different architecture—basically mobile hardware in a desktop package. The 5800X OTOH has a different chiplet design which gives it twice the cache (but no iGPU), but which also causes it to consume and heat up more. > [ Mobo : ANB4 (previous machine, now stand-by) + ANB5 have Gigabyte ] > > 220219 Mobo AMD : MBASU00311 : Asus : Prime B550+ (Ryzen AM4) : $ 180 > dual M.2 : PCle 4.0 : 1 GB Ethernet : SATA 6 Gbps > USB 3.2 gen 2 Types A/C : Aura Sync RGB headers support > * MBGIG00145 : Gigabyte : X570 Aorus elite WIFI : $ 220 > dual PCle 4.0 M.2 : Intel dual-band 802.11ac wireless > front USB Type C : RGB Fusion 2.0 The latter has 2.5 Gb ethernet onboard and USB 3.2 Gen 2x2. That might come in handy in a few years. OTOH, the X570 chipset definitely draws more power. Unless you really need some of X570 high-performance features, I’d recommend a cheaper (and more efficient) B-series chipset board. It seems the Canada Computers website does not value technical specifications much, I can’t find a detailed listing there. So here’s a comparison of the two boads (on that site there is no Elite WIFI, but one other Elite model): https://skinflint.co.uk/?cmp=2295489&cmp=2644171 > [ Memory : Kingston has always performed well & 16 GB sb adequate ] > > 220222 Memory : MEKIT00581 : Kingston : 2 x 8 = 16 GB $ 110 > DDR4 3600 MHz CL17 dual channel Your chosen CPUs can only support up to DDR4-3200. With a slower kit you might save a few pennies. (or not, price differences are very tight). And then select the one with the lowest latency (the number behind the “CL”). I’d also say if you can afford it, go for a kit with two 16 GB sticks, so you have room for upgrades later without having to get rid of the old ones. > [ Graphics card : this seems to be the big problem. There are cheaper > cards, but they're all "sold out" : apparently, there's a supply problem > at present ; this was the cheapest in stock in late Feb ] As mentioned; if you buy the 5700G, you don’t need one, unless you need a lot of graphics power. The 5700G graphics achieves about 2 Tflops, which is the same as my 130 W graphics card from 2015. Also beware: the GPU model you chose is from NVidia. They are a pain to run under Linux. > [ SSD : Kingston as above : 1 TB sb adequate ] > > 220222 SSD : SSKIT00058 : Kingston : 512 GB $ 95 > KC600 SATA3 6 GB/s 2,5" R 550 W 520 MB/s > > * SSKIT00069 : Kingston : 1 TB $ 170 > KC600 SATA3 6 GB/s 2,5" R 550 W 520 MB/s The boards you chose have several m.2 slots. This form factor has the nice advantage that it doesn’t need any cabling. > SSSAS00105 : Samsung : 500 GB $ 100 > 870EVO SATA3 R 560 W 530 MB/s > > SSSAS00106 : Samsung : 1 TB $ 140 > 870EVO SATA3 R 560 W 530 MB/s I have no bad experience with or opinion about Kingston. But they buy components for their drives from other companies, whereas Samsung, WD and Micron (Crucial) do everything in-house. So there is a bigger guarantee that you get quality components. Manufacturers tend to swap out components these days depending on available supply. There has been upheaval about companies sending out review items to the press and then silently replacing the internals with cheaper stuff later on, even going so far as to replace TLC with much slower QLC NAND. (Sadly, Samsung and WD are among the culprits.) > SSWEE00015 : W Digital : 500 GB $ 90 > 3D NAND SATA R 560 W 530 MB/s > > SSWEE00015 : W Digital : 1 TB $ 140 > 3D NAND SATA M.2 2280 R 560 W 530 MB/s There seems to be a mistake: the product code is the same for both. Why do you only choose SATA SSDs? PCIe SSDs are much much faster. During normal operation, you won’t notice it much, but especially IOPs are considerably higher than with SATA, meaning a big boost when you are dealing with many small files (portage, anyone?). WOL said: >> If you're planning to use the mobo's SATA ports, just make sure you know how >> many will be usable. Both an M2 board and a Graphics board nick PCIe >> channels, and the mobo may disable SATA ports to free them up ... The “main” m.2 slot is connected directly to the CPU via 4×PCIe (3.0 for the 5700G, 4.0 for the other two). Those lanes are not available for any other purposes. The remaining m.2 slots are hooked up via the chipset, and the board manufacturer may decide how to distribute the available lanes. > [ HDD : for back-up + alternative OS (Mint). > ANB5 has Seagate : anyone prefer W Digital & if so, why ? ] > > * 220222 HDD : HDSEA00144 : Seagate : 2 TB $ 55 > SATA 3,5" 7200 RPM > > HDWD002115 : W Digital : 1 TB $ 60 > SATA 3,5" 6 GB/s 7200 RPM 64 MB cache WOL said: >> WD Black? Again, probably SMR. The BarraCuda looks cheaper, bigger, better. No, blacks are not. WD has done itself a great disservice with the hidden SMR migration, but blacks are supposed to be the top-performance series. See for yourself; no SMR-drive in the line-up: https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=hde7s&xf=10287_WDuscBLACK%7E3772_3.5%7E957_Western+Digital However, fast-spinning 7200 rpm drives draw more power, thus produce more heat and especially vibration and thus noise. If it’s just for backup and the occasional experiment with an OS, I’d suggest a slower-spinning alternative. According to https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=hde7s&xf=10287_Blue%7E3772_3.5%7E8457_non-SMR%7E957_Western+Digital%7E959_5400 the WD blue is available with up to 6 TB as a non-SMR slow-rotating alternative. Beware: there are also 7200 rpm blues in all sizes. (On a sidenote, slow spinning WD Reds are also only available up to 6 TB, anything bigger is 7200 rpm.) Also, the price difference between 2 and a few more TB is not big. Why not go for a little more, to be future-proof? OTOH, I am actually planning on replacing my current setup of 500 GB SATA SSD (for system and home) plus 1 TB HDD (WD blue for bulk data) with a single M.2 PCIe SSD of 2 TB. Right now the HDD is the loudest component and I want to quieten it down. So instead of an SSD *and* an HDD, I propose to consider a single 2 TB PCIe SSD instead. Good models are the Samsung 970 Plus or the WD Black SN750. A little cheaper (and slower, but still much faster than SATA) is the WD Blue SN550 2 TB. But beware: SN550 models smaller than 2 TB are subject to covert component swapping. > [ Power : ANB5 has Thermaltake : is 700 W likely to be adequate ? ] Without a GPU, even 300 would be fine. With a GPU, I’d say around 500…600. But I’m not a gamer. I’ve been running with my i5 (84 W) and a Radeon GPU (130 W) with a 300 W PSU for the entire 7½ years now. But back then, TDP meant maximum. Nowadays, the actual power draw is much more fluently defined. > [ Wifi : currently, I'm using a landline for Internet, > but my new apartment has free Wifi. Is it standard on Mobos these days ? ] No, some have it, some don’t. But I’d always prefer cable if possible. You don’t have radio interference from the neighbors, higher and more stable throughput and better security. > [ Sound : I've never installed sound on my computers, but it wb nice. Really? I’m baffled. Don’t you listen to any music or watch videos sometimes (well on the computer, I mean)? > Do all Mobos have a sound chip today ? -- I'm an utter novice here ] Yes (unless you consider a server board). Their functionality and quality varies. Basically, the higher the ALC model number, the “better”. There are those who deem on-board chips inferior. But if you don’t have the highest quality requirements or do audio productions which need very low noise, then you’ll be fine. > [ DVD drive : I don't believe I need this anymore ] > > DVD ? I do use them from time to time to watch DVDs that I own or took out from the library. I don’t do any of this streaming business. Why not use the one from ANB5? I postulate there hasn’t been any technological progress in the last decade, so ye olde drive will do just fine. -- Grüße | Greetings | Salut | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. Sugar-free, homeopathic medicine for children: blowing.
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